Re: Foundations for "Anthropocene Socialist" Movement

2019-01-05 Thread nicholas
Normally I find myself agreeing with Brian’s posts, so its an odd feeling to be at odds with your recent ones. When Vincent wrote ‘where is the surplus’ I didn’t take that as meaning where is the kit, plans (of which there are endless shelves), materials and people, but where is the power.

Re: Foundations for "Anthropocene Socialist" Movement

2019-01-05 Thread Brian Holmes
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 6:03 PM Florian Cramer wrote: > > Your wording is interesting, because it connects "emergence" with the > "state". Since the classical concept of emergence evolved around > self-organization, it was decentralist. The state is a (more or less) > centralist concept. The way

Re: Foundations for "Anthropocene Socialist" Movement

2019-01-05 Thread Florian Cramer
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 7:57 PM Brian Holmes wrote: > What we need, first of all, is a vision so carefully articulated that it can become a strategy and a calculable plan. > Exactly that is now emergent. The point is to make it actual. That means, to make it into the really existing state. Your

Re: Foundations for "Anthropocene Socialist" Movement

2019-01-05 Thread Vincent Gaulin
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:59 PM Brian Holmes wrote: > > The fact is, so far at least, every investment of social desire on an > *outside* results in the immediate incorporation of that outside as an > object for the mainstream techniques of social control. So why not desire > an *inside*? Why