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On 15.02.23 11:34, mp wrote:
The overarching context - as context seems to be such a hot term -
is trade war and the electrification of consumer civilization.
Making this about "Putin", i.e. a single person and his "unlawful"
acts, is beyond intellectually lazy reductionism. It is
On 12.02.23 20:50, Brian Holmes wrote:
-- There's a war on in Europe, which is a proxy war that pits NATO
against Russia, via the fighting force of Ukraine. Definitely check
out the list of equipment which the US alone has sent:
https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/sleepwalking-elites
Hi Brian,
thanks for point out this talk (and connecting it back to the
introductory book "Earth System Science", which I agree is great).
Applying 'systems thinking' around 'tipping points' to social dynamics
raises very interesting issues about how radical change comes about.
The classic
I couldn't agree more. There is no such thing as authentic culture,
particularly not on a world where desires have manufactured by consumer
capitalism for generations.
This reminds me of a work by the Mediengruppe Bitnik, State of Reference
(2017)
Hi Goeffrey,
from a technical point of view, the problem with mailing lists is twofold.
First, maintaining a mail server has become progressively more work over
the years.
Second, what a mailman mailing list does is, essentially, rewriting the
header, ie making this mail appears as it came
This is a slightly edited version of a talk I gave at the “Commons to
NFTs” conference, organized by Aksioma in Ljubliana, 12.11.2022, for the
a launch for the eponymous book we edited together.
Program: https://aksioma.org/from-commons-to-nfts
Video Streams:
On 27.10.22 20:50, Brian Holmes wrote:
Indeed. The point is now to think those politics, and make their
possibilities recognizable.
I think it's pretty obvious that we are living in a period that is
characterized by what one could call, with a nod to Durkheim, "total
social crises".
On 20.10.22 23:18, Brian Holmes wrote:
I recall speculation on the list about whether a new technopolitical
paradigm would ever take form. Would there be economic growth again?
Would innovation return? Could global capitalism really develop new
forms of self-regulation? Or is it stalked by
Hi Alex,
Thanks a lot for this update.
however she is a naziliberista, combining a conservative economic
agenda with an identitarian social agenda, so she is trying not to
fuck up on the fiscal front.
That seems to be the winning formula at the moment. It's pretty much
what we had here
On 15.09.22 08:56, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
Folks, for those interested in a look at the discussions around
documenta fifteen from outside the lumbung (dare I say, bubble), one
way to start is this interview (in German) with the chairwoman of the
scientific committee which is the latest
To be fair, they also added ten "scenario spoilers" they knew could
threaten this rosy assessment. They only take up half a page in a 13
page article, but they are pretty good as far as scenarios go.
https://archive.org/details/eu_Wired-1997-07_OCR/page/n133/mode/2up
1) Tensions between
On 03.07.22 18:51, Brian Holmes wrote:
I am curious if other people see the same problems, and if there are
theorists and practitioners resolving them...
Finally, I also got around reading both texts.
in my view, Mozorov's analysis is surprisingly weak and inconsistent. I
agree, as Brian
This is a really sad, though not unexpected, development. It's hard to
avoid the parallels to Navalny's treatment.
Besides all the press freedom implication and one man's suffering, the
vilification of Assange is the most successful psy-op I've ever
encountered personally. It's appalling.
On 19.05.22 07:13, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
Felix has called the coalition between the Greens and the conservatives
"weird". I think it is weird only from the perspective of the 20th
century assumptions about what it means to be left and right,
conservative or progressive. These parameters
On 18.05.22 10:04, Alex Text wrote:
In this context he also speaks of Putinism as a variation of what
Andreas Malm and the Zetkin Collective has called "fossil fascism"
(while Malm do not consider the case of the Russian Federation at all).
For a review of Malm's book "White Skin, Black
This letter created an enormous amount of discussion in Germany, little
of it productive, imho.
In the most charitable interpretation, the letter reflects an aversion
to militaristic thinking, an version which defined the common-sense in
de-nazified post-war Germany. Remember, the German
David,
thanks for pointing this out. Quite strange, because this is the same
person from bellingcat who shared the text in the first place, including
some background how he checked the authenticity. Now he does not even
mention this when discounting the document and how the media fell for it.
On 10.03.22 06:02, Brian Holmes wrote:
Here's the thing though. Should Nato really have denied entry to all
those Eastern European states that requested it? Remember that most of
those states, they had been taken over but not absorbed by the Soviet
Union. They lived for decades under
I agree, it's really unclear what "winning" or "loosing" might be here.
Both extreme scenarios (winning = turning Ukraine into a Belarus-like
client-state with little violence; loosing = restoration of the
territorial integrity of Ukraine, and collapse of Putin-regime) seem
very unlikely, but
Hi Luke,
On 31.01.22 22:54, Luke Munn wrote:
Amazon.com, Facebook, etc. are not markets. As you enter them, you leave
capitalism behind. Within these platforms, one algorithm (belonging to
one person or to very few persons) decides what is on sale, who sees
which commodity is available, and how
At the end of a long interview on crypto, conducted by Evgeny Mozorov,
Yanis Varoufakis outline, quite succinctly, his argument for rise of
"techno-feudalism". It centers around the seeming paradox: "Capital is
getting stronger but capitalism is dying."
On 09.01.22 23:11, José María Mateos wrote:
I've just discovered the PDFs in the reader with sheer joy. In the
nettime link to this collection (https://www.nettime.org/pub.html) it
says that it can be bought as a book, but the link to the autonomedia
bookstore is broken. Is there any
The unraveling of large Ponzi schemes is a hugely destructive affair,
all the more because such schemes thrive in societies were official
institutions are either weak or captured by criminal interests and
people are desperate. In the 1999 nettime reader, there is an account of
the Albanian
Hi everyone,
I'm sure many have followed the election in Chile. It was historic. Not
"just" because it means the writing of the new constitution will
continue which will have the potential to re-draw the political map
(finally stepping out of the long shadow of Pinochet) and the dynamics
So, I finished reading "The Dawn of Everything", the new book by David
Graeber and David Wengrow. In many ways, it's the perfect book for our
dark historical moment. It's all about historical possibilities, yet not
in the future, but in the past. Thus, an escape and an inspiration.
It's an
I agree. While there is ample technical room -- and a distinct social
need -- to improve the teleconferencing "experience" (sorry, Olia), but
you don't need a sad metaverse for that.
But what strikes me still is the doggedness with which US IT sector
persues this vision. I took the occasion
I'm sure most of you have heard by now that Facebook is renaming itself
"Meta" and promoting a platform called "Metaverse", basically, a shared,
but heavily customizable VR/AR world.
If you haven't seen the video from the keynote, have look. You won't be
able to get through the entire
I met Philippe quite a few times in the 00s, when we both worked on
issues of copyright and the digital commons. We became friends easily. A
man of profound humanity and intellect, curious and generous. He was in
it for the long-term. Now cut short. How very sad. Felix
On 27.07.21 15:49,
[The entire process to replace the Pinochet (aka extremely neo-liberal)
constitution is quite unusual and an outcome of mass protest just before
the oviduct-shutdowns. An independent assembly (which has been selected
now) has one year to draft an new constitution which will tend be put to
a
On 30.03.21 19:00, Sandra Braman wrote:
> - a postmodern economic (or "referential economy") approach developed
> *de facto* in the early 21st century although its incipient phases
> had been noticed and theorized by postmodern theorists decades
> earlier, focusing on the nature of the
The ecstasy of ownership
I'm still stuck with the whole NFT thing. But I want to move away from
context of art, which has such a long history of conspicuous
consumption, speculative bubbles, and dubious objects that it's very
tempting to see this basically as the continuation of all of that, a
string", "description":
"https://ipfsgateway.makersplace.com/ipfs/QmXkxpwAHCtDXbbZHUwqtFucG1RMS6T87vi1CdvadfL7qA"}}}
Which, again, is just metadata pointing to, well, a webserver
(makersplace.com). In other words, the seller, in order to have any
object at all, is depen
On 14.03.21 14:25, Rachel O' Dwyer wrote:
> The article includes a discussion of economic *'signalling' *that was
> prompted by conversations with Ruth Catlow which chimes with Felix's
> questions about what the digital art purchase 'says'.
Doma alerted me to this analysis, and if it's
On 13.03.21 15:14, tbyfield wrote:
> If I drew a venn diagram of how uninteresting mass digital art, the
> art-systems economics, and cryptographic para-currencies have become,
> you'd think it was just a circle
Ted, you, of all people, know that 'interesting' is not an attribute of
objects,
I'm sure many have followed the NFT art saga over the last couple of
months and seen today's headline that somebody just paid $ 69,346,250
for a NFT on a blockchain, meta-data to claim ownership of the
"originalcopy" of a digital art work.
and its complex, changing
surroundings, through practices that are open, radical, and hopeful.
References
[1]Felix Stalder, Cornelia Sollfrank, Shusha Niederberger, eds.,
Aesthetics of the Commons, (Zürich: Diaphanes) p. 32
[2]Judith Siegmund, “Which Aesthetics of the Commons?” in Aesthetics
For me, what binds these three movements -- BLM, #StopTheSteal, and
#Gamestop -- together is not that they are populist (though, depending
on your definition, they might be), but that they advance radical
institutional critiques of the main pillars of contemporary society: the
police, democracy,
I find the GameStop saga endlessly fascinating, on so many levels.
For one, it's a fitting continuation of the year of American discontent,
that started with #BLM, continued with #StopTheSteal, and reached now
Wall Street with #Gamestop. Politically, these movements are, of course,
very
On 28.01.21 20:46, carlo von lynX wrote:
> The average member of the population is enraged.
> About this or that, there are plenty of reasons to
> be. But by becoming object of manipulation, this
> person has done the worst it could possibly do to
> better its situation.
It's getting very hard
It's hard not to see parallels between the events at the US Capitol
earlier this month and the current events on Wall Street surrounding
#Gamestop.
A bunch of people -- mostly regarded as fools (QAnons and daytraders) by
professionals -- storming the citadels of power, coordinated over social
On 16.01.21 17:40, Dmytri Kleiner wrote:
> You can't do "a China" in your country. You can, however, work to
> improve the conditions of people in your country, while working against
> the aggression of your country abroad.
Yes, obviously we cannot, and should not, "do" China. In the same way
On 08.01.21 20:46, Dan S Wang wrote:
> Donald Trump is addicted to Twitter, pure and simple. He doesn't want to
> govern, he wants to tweet. He hates government meetings, legislative
> processes, presidential ceremonies--but loves having his rapid-fire tweet
> storms. More than any aspiring
The point we can all agree on is that it is too early to tell.
I think there are two main open developments, in terms of immediate
political dynamics. that will decide the direction this takes.
The first is whether the republican party will fracture, because,
clearly, not everyone is having a
I followed, like many others I presume, yesterday's events in Washington
on TV (cnn) and on social media at the same time. And it seems pretty
clear that this event was made on, through and for social media. The TV
cameras, few as there were, were literally outside, observing, clutching
their
On 24.11.20 04:14, Brian Holmes wrote:
> Here's my two cents: Keynes aimed to save capitalism from itself. Double
> down on Keynes, unleash vast new creative energies on the basis of fiat
> money, and maybe, instead of sapping capital's foundations, we can push it
> over the top into
Hi everyone,
I must admit, amidst post-terror assault on civil liberties and covid
cases spiraling out of control here in Austria, the US election drama
has moved a bit lower in my attention, but not that much.
>From what I understand, the numbers show that Trump lost. Period. No
recount will
between
climate and labor groups’ interests is clearer than ever.
[1] https://www.sfcta.org/projects/tncs-and-congestion
[2] https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/ride-hailing-climate-risks
On 05.11.20 08:56, Felix Stalder wrote:
> While we all wait for the counting to finish (and the law cases
While we all wait for the counting to finish (and the law cases to
start), here's the best article I could find on the major victory for
the platform capitalists on California, overturning a state-wide labor
law (AB5) which would have forced them to reclassify most gig-workers as
employees (with
Hi David,
Nobody doubts the difficulties you and many, many others are facing
right now and there is no use in competing in suffering. It's something
we all want less of.
I think the point re: Couldry and Schneir, was that already before
Covid-19, many people did not have the luxury of planning
On 06.07.20 09:29, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
> folks, has somebody made a detailled, media-critical comparison
> between these different systems and their functionality? (for the
> teaching i did, we used "Cisco Webex Meetings")
Not that I know of, my not particularly subtle conclusion from
Someone bugged me off-list to provide some evidence to the sweeping
claims I make here. Let me try.
> It's of course hard to say where all of this is going, but the timing
> is certainly good because many pieces necessary for such a
> transformation are in place. As far as I can tell,
On 19.06.20 07:52, Brian Holmes wrote:
> And despite all the revulsion you may feel if you look into that website,
> isn't this direction a lot more viable than whatever the Trump/Brexit years
> have produced? How are we to stand with respect to this new wave?
>
> Where does everybody see this
On 02.06.20 19:48, tbyfield wrote:
> These kinds of language games aren't as silly as they might seem at
> first glance, because pop phrases like that hint — as if through a glass
> or scanner darkly — diffuse assumptions about where we see ourselves
> historically. A world where people are
I, like probably most nettimers, I have been observing the fracturing
of the US with increasing horror (knowing that Europe, over the last
70 years, has usualled followed the US, for good and bad). With the
horrific response to Covid-19, things to have now taken an even
darker turn, compounding
[And here, same story in the UK. Not surprisingly the UK and the US are
the most enthusiastic in transferring money and data to the private
sector, but I guess continental Europe is not far behind. Thanks to Pit
for the work-around.]
On 11.05.20 20:54, Felix Stalder wrote:
>
> I'm sur
I'm sure many of you have noted the co-incidence of Google's closing
down its smart city project in Toronto [1] and Andrew Cumo announcing
a major partnership with Google to reinvent the state of New York
post-Covid [2].
Naomi Klein wrote a piece for the Intercept [3] in which she basically
[This is a text that I've written for the Rosa Luxemburg Foundation
in Berlin. It takes up some of the issues we have discussed here. It
focuses on tracking of people and the modeling of society and I try to
think about democratic potentials here, rather than the more obvious
authoritarian ones.
I wouldn't take a three year old Italian TV segment as a particularly
authoritative source. Rather more substantial studies acknowledge
that while it is possible to that a Virus escapes a lab, the genetic
make-up of this particular virus makes it very unlikely to be
fabricated in a lab.
OK, this
I think trust should not be placed primarily in technological solutions,
an app where we can fine-tune our privacy preferences.
Rather, the focus should be on creating social institutions that are
capable of analyzing these system-wide dynamics, based on all this data,
and then develop policies
On 20.03.20 10:32, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
> But: if a major economic problem at the moment is that people have
> to pay their rent, or service the credits and mortgages they took
> out, why does the State, under these severe circumstances, currently
> make such an effort to help people pay
On 18.03.20 20:34, Brian Holmes wrote:
> In the face of this, there seem to be two broad options for civil
> society response:
>
> -- Publicly refuse any infringement of previously existing rights,
> while privately maintaining the psycho-philosophical stance of the
> autonomous individual; or
On 18.03.20 11:01, Laura Chimera wrote:
>
> On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 at 10:25, Felix Stalder wrote:
>
>> A1, the largest mobile phone carrier, is providing data to public
>> authorities in an effort to monitor these restrictions (contact
>> tracing might come later).
Here in Austria, and in many other places as well, restrictions on
personal mobility are quite severe. At the moment, we are told to
stay at home, with exceptions only for a) going to work (where remote
work is not possible), b) shopping for necessities (food, medicines,
cigarettes, mobile
On 12.03.20 09:21, sebast...@rolux.org wrote:
> I have a couple of coronavirus questions. These are neither necessarily
> mine, nor did they arise in anticipation of satisfying answers.
> - What is the perspective on coronavirus seen from where you are? What
> are the most interesting or
[I don't know much about the situation in Bolivia, but reporting in the
Western media seems incredibly lazy, portraying the situation as a
liberal uprising against an anti-democratic leader.
There is obviously much more context than that. Some of it is mentioned
in the below interview. Another
Hi Brian,
thanks for this update on your work and thinking.
It fits well into what I see as part of a larger (re)introduction of
physical space onto techno-political thinking.
One source is of this, exemplified by your work, is the rapidly rising
pressures of ecological devastation engendered
[I don't think appeals to leaders to act ethically are particularly
effective. Yet, this letter is still interesting as it documents the
rising concerns, even within the belly of the beast, over the total
commercialization of communication and its detrimental impact on
democracy. Because, no
Hi Freddy,
I can assure you that there is a lot of hate towards GT in Europe as
well, so this cannot be a problem attributable to the "American brain".
I think it's an issue of how to deal with the climate crisis.
I see basically three different approaches.
The center left and center right
I'm still amazed at the passing of Assembly Bill 5 (AB 5) [1] in
California, eventually ensuring "gig economy workers are entitled to
minimum wage, workers’ compensation and other benefits." [2] If this law
becomes effective (as of January 2020), I think it constitutes a major
fork in the road.
I would try to reverse the question. Not what are the costs (which are
hard to calculate anyway), but what are the benefits. And if they
approach zero, then it's time to stop in a decent way (and archive the
list for good). There is no use to do useless stuff. There is enough of
that on the world.
Who can make sense out of yesterday's municipal elections in Barcelona?
The left-wing separatist candidate, Ernest Maragall, narrowly beating
Ada Colau. Is this another case of separatism crowding out ecological
and social issues, thus preserving conventional political structures
(even if with new
On 11.04.19 20:18, Morlock Elloi wrote:
>
> 1. Wikileaks servers could not be suppressed neither by rubberhosing
> service providers, registrars, nor telecoms. They did try, for a
> long time. If they could, none of this would happen.
>
> 2. Wikileaks sources were far better protected than
Democracy Now is doing interviews on this, which you can access via
their twitter feed.
https://twitter.com/democracynow/status/1116320933977841664/video/1
and there, Glenn Greenwald makes the point that Assange is neither US
citizen, nor is Wikileaks a US-based news organization, thus "the idea
On 03.04.19 11:38, James Wallbank wrote:
> Felix, this is the sort of post that social media conditions me to want
> to click "Like" but also to feel that it's an inadequate response.
>
> I'd only add (or perhaps, draw out):
>
> * "Managing" is the wrong way to think about maximising human
On 30.03.19 21:19, Brian Holmes wrote:
> However, the surging sense of intellectual mastery brought by the
> phrase, "managing complexity," declines precipitously when you try to
> define either "management" or "complexity."
Complexity is relatively easy to define. As Jospeh Rabie already did,
sharp distinctions like the one you drew.
>
> Anyway. Planes are interesting, but what led me down the path of
> studying these histories is what you point out — that the fusion of the
> pilot with the plane is an ur-moment in human–machine hybridization.
>
> Cheers,
> Ted
&g
On 28.03.19 16:38, tbyfield wrote:
> Yes and no. In theory, plane crashes happen out in the open compared to
> other algorithmic catastrophes. In practice, the subsequent
> investigations have a very 'public secret' quality: vast expanses are
> cordoned off to be combed for every fragment,
On 27.03.19 22:05, Morlock Elloi wrote:
> EU is really another attempt at communism.
As I just wrote in another post, I think the US (and the UK and the EU)
far facing a similar structural crisis as the USSR faced in the 1970s.
Whether these countries turns out to be like the USSR, depends on
On 24.03.19 14:28, Florian Cramer wrote:
> Travis suggests that the 737 MAX fiasco resulted from a combination of
> market economics/cost-optimization management and software
> being used to correct hardware design flaws.
Yes. I think there are several factors involved that are in fact
On 08.02.19 03:27, Brian Holmes wrote:
> That said, to judge by chapter 1, Surveillance Capitalism is worth
> reading. It provokes and infuriates me by what it leaves out, but
> it's fascinating at points and hopefully gets better as you go.
> Morozov has written the perfect intro for a
I found Mozorov's massive review more interesting.
https://thebaffler.com/latest/capitalisms-new-clothes-morozov
Felix
On 05.02.19 13:49, Patrice Riemens wrote:
> Original to:
> https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/feb/02/age-of-surveillance-capitalism-shoshana-zuboff-review
>
>
>
> The
one-way, but it's a
> mistake to consider them operating at the same or even remotely similar
> level. None of them displaces the other, but the lower ones change the
> ground for the higher ones.
>
> On 1/30/19, 04:29, Felix Stalder wrote:
>> Repesentative democracy: insti
On 28.01.19 13:46, carlo von lynX wrote:
> Even better when expert knowledge is in check by liquid
> democracy rather than size-limited citizen assemblies.
> We actually have a new technology that solves this
> challenge but it is still being used too rarely.
As far as I know from the German
In 2014, a protestor at an anti-fascist rally in Vienna was sentenced to
12 months of jail, for alleged participation in violent action.
Among the evidence that was held against him was using an non-registered
prepaid card. Even though that was entirely legal at the time, it was
held against him
On 06.01.19 01:03, Florian Cramer wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 7:57 PM Brian Holmes
> mailto:bhcontinentaldr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> What we need, first of all, is a vision so carefully articulated that
>> it can become a strategy and a calculable plan.
>> Exactly that is now emergent.
On 30.12.18 13:53, Keith Hart wrote:
> But -- there has to be a but -- I believe that there is one crippling
> intellectual impediment above all others that undermines political
> initiatives generated in this network. It is the belief that more
> solidarity can fix excessive individualism.
>
>
On 27.12.18 20:11, Brian Holmes wrote:
> So what's to be done is to generate new aspirations, new ideas of the
> good life, and initial models for putting them into practice at local or
> regional scale. Please notice, I am NOT talking about individual models
> - because as much good as that can
At the moment, nettime is largely unmoderated, with a very small number
of people set to manual approval by the moderators.
The difficult part is, of course, to decide when to put someone on
"moderation watch". Personally, I've been quite reluctant to do that,
not for some absolutist notion of
I cannot believe we are still debating "class vs. identity". If you look
at the current wave of far-right strong mean, it's seems obvious their
project is the restoration of race AND class privilege AND patriarchy.
Behind this, in my view, is a jump in social complexity (globalization,
Internet,
[It doesn't seem like gaining much traction beyond the occasional media
story. But still, it's interesting in terms of the demands. Two new
basic rights are demanded: the right to be recognized as a market
participant and to right to be heard by a human. Felix]
The Spark
I think one of the major drivers of the collapse of the political center
and the rise of the far right across the globe, across widely differing
contexts, is the collective inability to deal with the reality of
climate change.
The political center -- with with its post-democratic commitment to
All possibilities of appeal are exhausted, one of the most high-profile
bankers of Spain needs to go to jail now. This makes Spain only the
second country (after Iceland) where any prominent banker were sent to
jail following the 2008 financial crisis. What this article fails to
mention, like all
On 2018-09-11 18:15, podinski wrote:
> For me, it was interesting to zoom in and examine this notion that the
> alt.right might be seen as co-opting elements of the transgressive arts
> of the last decades... to fuel their own political power / agendas...
While this might be an adequate
transversal.at
Casa Invisible is here to stay!
http://transversal.at/blog/Invisible-is-here-to-stay
Gerald Raunig, Translation: Kelly Mulvaney
After two-and-a-half hours marching through the city, the protest took a
turn onto Calle Larios, the central avenue of pomp in Málaga’s center,
at 10
[Throughout the day, I was wondering whether a new service offered by a
company called "The Spinner" was real or satire. Their pitch is the
following:
> The Spinner* is a service that enables you to control articles
> presented to your wife on the websites she usually visits, in order
> to
[This strikes me as a winning formula. Connect the issue of sovereignty
with a program for clean energy. There is a deep, and quite justified,
fear among large segments of the population (at least in Europe) of
having lost control over out individual and collective destiny.
Neoliberal
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Hi Alexandre,
> I appreciate the reply. And will attempt to debunk your answer that
> collective self-defense is wrong in many levels.
Thanks for responding to my ill-tempered post in a way that turns it
into something interesting. This is nettime :)
> First with equating resistance with the
Hi Alexandre,
my reply is late, because I was busy and hoped that someone else would
reply, but nobody has and nettime is the home of the slow it's still
time say something.
I think your mail was exceptionally wrong. On numerous levels.
First, it was a classic example of some guy feeling
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