Re: nettime Hacked Team [getting off-topic...]

2015-07-22 Thread Jaromil
dear dv, I guess is entirely my fault calling such an OT by divagating... apologies for my sort-of-ranty way of being somehow wrong, passionate and definitely thinking like an old-fart about the present and future of net.art in the age of google-artists. On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, dvyng wrote:

Re: nettime Hacked Team

2015-07-20 Thread Jaromil
On Sun, 19 Jul 2015, morlockel...@yahoo.com wrote: The shift I mentioned is the shift from being managed/herded by a relatively large number of humans, to being managed/herded by a large number of machines controlled by a small number of humans, and the power pyramid becoming a very steep

Re: nettime Hacked Team

2015-07-20 Thread mp
On 20/07/15 11:02, Jaromil wrote: On Sun, 19 Jul 2015, morlockel...@yahoo.com wrote: The shift I mentioned is the shift from being managed/herded by a relatively large number of humans, to being managed/herded by a large number of machines controlled by a small number of humans, and the

Re: nettime Hacked Team [getting off-topic...]

2015-07-20 Thread dvyng
List, see above. Code is getting everywhere, even the art world is flooded by code related themes and technicians nowadays. I stopped doing internet-art or computer-art or net.art already since 10 years, this is not interesting anymore really. Why not interesting anymore? Seems like maybe

Re: nettime Hacked Team [getting off-topic...]

2015-07-20 Thread seb olma
No, this is spot on I think. On both counts, art labour! Thanks a lot for this, seb Sent from my toaster On Jul 20, 2015, at 7:02 PM, dvyng dv...@riseup.net wrote: List, # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for

Re: nettime Hacked Team

2015-07-19 Thread Jaromil
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, morlockel...@yahoo.com wrote: The cause of confusion may be that this (the last few decades) is probably the first time that power apparatus' enforcement model is making a big shift from thugs with guns to thugs with compilers. These are two completely different

Re: nettime Hacked Team

2015-07-18 Thread Jaromil
[For some, the previous version of the email. was unreadeable. Here it is again, with appologies. Mods.] dear Morlock, On Fri, 10 Jul 2015, morlockel...@yahoo.com wrote: Exonerating makers of malicious tools because they did it only for the irresistible appeal of money (as opposed to being

Re: nettime Hacked Team

2015-07-17 Thread Jaromil
dear Morlock, On Fri, 10 Jul 2015, morlockel...@yahoo.com wrote: Exonerating makers of malicious tools because they did it only for the irresistible appeal of money (as opposed to being inherently evil and wanted to screw activists) is ridiculous. this is not exactly what I intend to say

Re: nettime Hacked Team

2015-07-13 Thread Brett Scott
-- From: mazzetta mazzett...@gmail.com To: nettim...@kein.org Sent: 10/07/2015 15:33:31 Subject: Re: nettime Hacked Team but still omits the venture capitals in the list. IÂ can solve the mistery, the main financing comes from a venture capital set by Regione Lombardia

nettime Hacked Team

2015-07-10 Thread Jaromil
dear nettimers, most of you may have heard of the Hacking Team scandal http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hacking-team-shows-world-not-stockpile-exploits/ which is now even among the wikileaks hall-of-fame. https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails I feel like sharing some thoughts on this. But first

Re: nettime Hacked Team

2015-07-10 Thread mazzetta
but still omits the venture capitals in the list. IÂ can solve the mistery, the main financing comes from a venture capital set by Regione Lombardia (Milan's region), Finlombarda Gestioni SGR, sided by a couple of of smaller from Turin area. More important, if not intelinked,