Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-15 Thread Pit Schultz
just wanted to mention two recent works, which can function as a comment regarding the disciplinarity, relevance and reach of the works deriving from the exploitation of the intersections of art and science. 1) the cigar shaped asteroid which took a strange trajectory recently. based of

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-14 Thread Eric Kluitenberg
Dear Gary, > On 14 Dec 2017, at 17:06, Gary Hall wrote: > The only thing I might add would be that, for me, any such subjectivity would > not assume that the boundaries between the human and nonhuman are drawn > arbitrarily. Nor that they are largely meaningless. Rather,

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-11 Thread Kristoffer Gansing
Dear Eric and all, Thanks for a really enjoyable discussion so far. Not long ago, I would skip over most ArtScience related material, because as Florian Cramer already pointed out, this seems to belong to another era and a particular lab-oriented approach that isn't up to scratch to the

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-10 Thread Eric Kluitenberg
Dear Gary, Thank you for your highly articulate and critical questions, which deserve a far more thorough answer than I can provide here with limited time available. Still I want to respond in brief to some of the issues / problems you raised. > On 10 Dec 2017, at 19:58, Gary Hall

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-10 Thread Gary Hall
Dear Eric, Thanks for the stimulating and thought-provoking text. I’m enjoying the discussion it’s generated. Would you mind if I asked some questions? The mention of Latour in the context of the Anthropocene and its undermining of the human’s ‘natural’ boundaries with the nonhuman brings

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-10 Thread Annie Abrahams
A suggestion : Start thinking in a completely different ways. Use diffractive reading, writing and researching to find new approaches. We need it. Some sources : Three Minute Theory: What is Intra-Action? An introduction to Karen Barad's concept of "intra-action.

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-10 Thread John Hopkins
Thanks Brian for introducing Earth Systems ideas, they go a long way towards an understanding of the connectedness across the wide scale of the entire planet from an approach that is understandable to a literate Westerner. There is a lot of new, creative, and very pertinent science happening

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-09 Thread Eric Kluitenberg
Thank you Florian for these further comments and your problematisation of the concept of ArtScience. The extended lineages of ArtScience I’m overly familiar with and I deliberately tried to avoid them in this text so as to develop a slightly more ‘fresh’ perspective’ - I’ve been reading

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-09 Thread Joseph Rabie
> Le 8 déc. 2017 à 18:57, Brian Holmes a écrit : > > Similarly, the notion of "fundamental research," outside applications and > consequences, has become fallacious. For example, I believe fundamental > research into the constitution of twenty-first century

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-09 Thread David Garcia
Brian wrote > > Like Eric, and to Steve's bemusement, I'm influenced by Bruno Latour. The > best way to say why is to recall a scene from an interview made perhaps two > years ago for the French Ministry of the Environment, which pictures Latour > sitting on an indoor chair outside his country

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-08 Thread Brian Holmes
This is a great discussion! CAE just wrote this: One of the reasons we stopped doing these projects was due to the fact that our experience of the ArtSci world was that it was not progressive. In fact, our experience was that most were unknowing agents for the neoliberals. Aestheticizing the

Locating ArtScience

2017-12-08 Thread Kurtz, Steven
Just a few random comments related to the discussion Eric has initiated. Between 1997 and 2007, Critical Art Ensemble did quite a few art/science/politics projects. When speaking about those projects we would say, “it looks like science, but its not.” If someone wanted to engage us as

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-08 Thread Eric Kluitenberg
Thanks so much Brian, Very relevant critique. Without wanting to get stuck on a term, I was using the word ‘field’ partly because there is a field of practice that refers to itself as ArtScience (with a growing number of initiatives, organisations, museums even), towards which I wanted to take

Re: Locating ArtScience

2017-12-08 Thread Brian Holmes
Eric, I totally appreciate and admire your interest in all this, but with due respect I think making ArtScience into a "field" is an archaic twentieth-century delaying tactic, from the days when liberal society could believe itself eternal. Reading this morning about California's winter fires,

Locating ArtScience

2017-12-08 Thread Eric Kluitenberg
on this matter internally I wrote a short essay / position paper called “Locating ArtScience’. The second draft of that essay is appended below as this could be of interest here I think, given previous discussions about the Earth Sciences, why some of us did not want to ‘March for Science’ and more