Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health efforts?

2020-03-20 Thread Frédéric Neyrat
"Everyone should know about your mobility": wow! Okay, I'm going to take a ginger beer and to do some yoga. And think about a world in which solidarity means tracking people. Take care dear Brian, Frédéric __ On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 3:16 AM

Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health efforts?

2020-03-20 Thread Brian Holmes
want to try another, simpler way to ask the question: Should I be terrified to see my personal dot on a public coronamap? Or is there a world in which individual freedoms cohere for a collective good? Answering Frederic, I guess I am fatalistic about social change: far as I can see, the

Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health efforts?

2020-03-19 Thread Frédéric Neyrat
Dear Brian, Would I be correct if I say that I see in the last paragraphs of your email a form of fatalism! Not because you try to think - very well - the future, but because of the alternative frame that you propose: either the defense of the "autonomous individual" or the cybernetic

Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health efforts?

2020-03-19 Thread Brian Holmes
There is an interview in today's Corriere della Sera describing the contact-tracing app that three Italian firms are developing for the Department of Civil Protection:

Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health efforts?

2020-03-18 Thread Frédéric Neyrat
Dear Felix, I wonder if *focusing* on "mobile phone data to monitor public health efforts" is not the best way to prepare, structure, what you call in your email "the general state of emergency" - to technologically enable it to last! Yes, "simply calling for the protection of personal privacy"

Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health efforts?

2020-03-18 Thread William Waites
Felix Stalder writes: > So, is there a possibility to use this data without it turning > it into an authoritarian power grab? I think there is, under the > following guidelines: > > - Data needs to be deleted after immediate purpose of the analysis > has been achieved. The thing is these data

Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health efforts?

2020-03-18 Thread Laura Chimera
On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 at 10:25, Felix Stalder wrote: > A1, the largest mobile phone carrier, is providing data to public > authorities in an effort to monitor these restrictions (contact > tracing might come later). > What's your source on that? I'd love to read more about it ~ L #

Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health efforts?

2020-03-18 Thread Felix Stalder
Here in Austria, and in many other places as well, restrictions on personal mobility are quite severe. At the moment, we are told to stay at home, with exceptions only for a) going to work (where remote work is not possible), b) shopping for necessities (food, medicines, cigarettes, mobile