For what it is worth, I would suggest to keep “spamming” in the title of
your paper, Francis. It it a value judgment but I would assume the whole
point it to call out BS when you see it - flood like quantities of
images generated by positive feedback loops fueled by “biased”
algorithms written
Hi Luke, hi everyone
first of all thanksto everyone for your reactions,
Why is my DALL-E generated image 'derivative' or a 'tainted' image,
according to the tech commentators I mentioned earlier, and my
'manual' pixel art not? I honestly don't see what the difference is
between a MidJourney
Yes thanks to Brian and to Prem for their beautiful and thought-provoking
responses to my questions.
To briefly bring it back to the starting point - I think the ambiguity I
was pointing to is that these AI models blur the boundaries of some of
these traditional distinctions. They use very
Prem, your last post is spotlight and lantern all at once: extremely
precise, diffusely warm and wise. Thank you very much.
Large language models don't understand anything. Synthetic images have no
punctum, no trace of vulnerability or mortality. I'll take nettime over
ChatGPT any day!
Brian
On
The true question is how we recognise the other, and perhaps the fault lies in
our assuming we do it through intelligence. As neuroscientist, Anil Seth,
observes, we hear a lot of talk on artificial intelligence but never hear
anyone speak of artificial consciousness. And that is because
On Fri, Dec 23, 2022, Luke Munn wrote:
> At the core of all this, I think, is the instinct that there's something
> unique about 'human' cultural production. [snip...] Terms like 'meaning',
> or 'intention', or 'autonomy' gesture to this desire, this hunch that
> something will be lost, that some
> I question whether the notion of pastiche makes any sense at all without
> interpretation (preumably Luke has something to say about that). What's
> certain is that the autonomy question is becoming urgent.
>
>
If an AI model produces a tasteless, derivative image in a forest and
there's no
Thank you, Francis for this very interesting work, and for the responses from all. Some of you may not know me at all, so by way of introduction, I am an independent researcher/writer/feminist artist working between film, media and cultural studies on history and theory of new media in the
Hey Francis,
Thanks for your response. Just briefly I think there was some misframing of
my response. It was not meant as a takedown or critique of your text, but
rather a more general response to this idea tabled in the opening line,
For the last time in human history the cultural-data space
[This was written yesterday, so it responds mostly to Luke and Felix.]
I agree that pastiche is a fundamental cultural process - but if it's so
fundamental, then to make any distinctions you have to look at its effects
in specific contexts. One such context, in the recent past, is
postmodernism.
Dear Luke, dear All
Interesting essay Francis, and always appreciate Brian's thoughtful
comments. I think the historical angle Brian is pointing towards is
important as a way to push against the claims of AI models as somehow
entirely new or revolutionary.
In particular, I want to push back
I couldn't agree more. There is no such thing as authentic culture,
particularly not on a world where desires have manufactured by consumer
capitalism for generations.
This reminds me of a work by the Mediengruppe Bitnik, State of Reference
(2017)
Interesting essay Francis, and always appreciate Brian's thoughtful
comments. I think the historical angle Brian is pointing towards is
important as a way to push against the claims of AI models as somehow
entirely new or revolutionary.
In particular, I want to push back against this idea that
Hi Brian,
On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 3:55 AM Francis Hunger
wrote:
While some may argue that generated text and images will save time
and money for businesses, a data ecological view immediately
recognizes a major problem: AI feeds into AI. To rephrase it:
statistical computing
On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 3:55 AM Francis Hunger
wrote:
> While some may argue that generated text and images will save time and
> money for businesses, a data ecological view immediately recognizes a major
> problem: AI feeds into AI. To rephrase it: statistical computing feeds into
> statistical
Dear Nettimers,
honoring the institutionalized format, I'm posting this speculative text
in the hope for comments.
best
Francis
@databasecultures@dair-community.social / www.irmielin.org
*** Spamming the Data Space – CLIP, GPT and synthetic data ***
** Introduction **
For the last time
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