Dear Brian,
You have long been a source of inspiration to me and this reply confirms
it. The fact that I seem to be gnawing at a bone of possible difference
comes from a desire to advance our conversation and to take advantage of
this medium for it. As Ed pointed out at the beginning of his last
Ed's intervention, acting as a sort of chorus, links this thread to an
earlier one in December, Debt Campaign Launch:
http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-1112/msg8.html. I for
one am grateful for this further reflection on important themes. It matters
if calling the US today
I'm sitting here reading yet another interesting thread on nettime,
reflecting on the fact that this little watercooler on the nets is a
more enduring institution than many large ones of Internet era
discourse and finance. We can all print money as Minsky says,
but to find a place where freshly
On Jan 9, 2012, at 3:12 AM, Michael H Goldhaber wrote:
Snafu and Jodi Dean, why did you put your argument in favor of demands in
such academic and turgid prose that it is a foregone conclusion the most in
the occupy movement couldn't possibly understand it and would probably toss
it aside
, January 09, 2012 3:12 AM
To: Nettime
Subject: Re: nettime A Movement Without Demands?
I have several comments on this discussion.
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Quite astute to high-five the other 1% which writes and reads high-level
amusings. And why not divide and condescend the 99% into manageable
1% fragments so that penny-ante rewards can be parceled out, quietly, in
the familiar language so deftly fitted to the levels of hierarchy, high to
low,
J. Dean said:
It probably won't be surprising to hear that the poorest places in the US
don't have active occupations going on (I say this based on looking for
evidence
on the web, not from visiting). The more active occupations are in the
biggest cities (not a surprise, but worth keeping in
Well, Snafu was right and I'm sure that many good debates will flow from
his and Jodi's co-written text.
Keith, when I said the anarchists, I was thinking of David Graeber
among others. And when I said Kudos to the anarchists I really meant
it! Maybe I will find the answers to my questions in
On 06-Jan-2012, at 5:33 AM, Brian Holmes wrote:
You say the Occupy movement lacks strong core principles that could serve to
define itself as a transformative force in society. I agree.
Brian,
A few thoughts:
To examine the Occupy movements in terms of demands or principles is to only
see
I much appreciated your testimony, Greg, as I have Dan Wang's careful
descriptions of political action such as in the post just now on Mic Check.
And like you I too appreciate Brian's impassioned rationalism.
Perhaps I refer too often to him on this list, but the paper that launched
this thread
Dear nettimers,
here is an article I co-authored with Jodi Dean on OWS, the question of
demands, and the politics of the commons. It was published a couple of
days ago on the Social Science Research Council online forum Possible
Futures and is sparking some discussion here and there. I
This text is at once challenging and generous: it seeks the core of
unfulfilled possibility in every limitation it critiques. Thanks for that.
You say the Occupy movement lacks strong core principles that could
serve to define itself as a transformative force in society. I agree.
That lack is
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