Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism

2014-10-20 Thread Geert Lovink
I noticed that too Brian, and acknowledge him for that! Well done. But then? this is all about a network, a context, community attribution. Maybe we do not need anything like that. Keith is right about that. Good theory and criticism does not need that at all. As long as it hits, and hurts. Our

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism.

2014-10-20 Thread John Hopkins
It takes time and energy to impose order on a system. Clearly many many segments of the 'developed world' are manifesting the inevitable decrease in the energy available to maintain their own order. Or, the perceived decline in fact-checking could rather be the result of a continued ascendance

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism.

2014-10-20 Thread t byfield
John (H), I'm not sure how it helps anyone to say that the declining editorial quality of a posh magazine is inexorably linked in some thermodynamicky way with the ultimate fate of the universe. If it is, then so is everything else, which doesn't really lead us anywhere but a metaphysical

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism.

2014-10-20 Thread Keith Sanborn
What occurs to me in this affair, is the New Yorker's presumption of its own cutting edge originality. The editors assumed they were going to the source, or at least the best informed and most highly pedigreed (read: fashionable) journalist when they went to Morozov. The New Yorker has never

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow

2014-10-20 Thread dan
A simple example was a number I ran across when researching the US Interstate (aka, the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways) system -- that right now it would take the energy equivalent of all remaining declared Suadi oil reserves to re-build that system.

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism

2014-10-19 Thread John Hopkins
On 19/Oct/14 08:53, David Mandl wrote: It seems clear that the New Yorker is no longer home of the best fact-checking/copyediting humankind can achieve. It takes time and energy to impose order on a system. Clearly many many segments of the 'developed world' are manifesting the inevitable

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism

2014-10-19 Thread gab fest
On 10/19/14 3:01 PM, John Hopkins wrote: On 19/Oct/14 08:53, David Mandl wrote: It seems clear that the New Yorker is no longer home of the best fact-checking/copyediting humankind can achieve. It takes time and energy to impose order on a system. Clearly many many segments of the 'developed

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism

2014-10-18 Thread gab fest
On 10/17/14 6:30 AM, d.garcia wrote: The Morozov article is indeed very misleading. There is nothing in the New Yorker headline to indicate that this is anything other that an article full of the ideas and research by Morozov himself. A headline does not usually have a dual function as a

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism

2014-10-18 Thread John Young
The New Yorker's dandy Eustace Tilley embodied highbrow journalism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Yorker Haughtily disdaining on the cover annually lowbrow rigorous http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact_checkerfact checking and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyeditingcopyediting, its

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism

2014-10-17 Thread Brian Holmes
What I'm wondering is, where is Luther Blissett in all this? Now there's a guy who was interested in the ideas, not the authors. There's a guy (but it was also a girl) who really knew how to plagiarize. But... But... But... it's dawning on me! We misunderestimated him! Evgeny Morozov is a

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism

2014-10-16 Thread gab fest
Organized envy sounds like a fair characterization. But the organization is small and centered on a few friends and associates of Medina. Then there are others engaging in opportunistic one-offs on Twitter and Facebook, at various levels of engagement. It's far from clear that Morozov has made

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism

2014-10-16 Thread Fil
Hello Geert, I think you've summed it up quite well... I'm not sure there's something more behind this. Was this plagiarism? I don't think so, if the words are original. But for the historian, the piece is certainly not bringing enough new material (if at all...), and does not properly quote its

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism

2014-10-16 Thread t byfield
On 15 Oct 2014, at 20:30, gab fest wrote: Organized envy sounds like a fair characterization. But the organization is small and centered on a few friends and associates of Medina. Then there are others engaging in opportunistic one-offs on Twitter and Facebook, at various levels of

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism

2014-10-16 Thread Rob Myers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/10/14 03:17 AM, Geert Lovink wrote: Will this scandal be the beginning of his downfall? Morozov has dealt in second-hand goods since his conversion. I've never met anyone he's fooled. So I'm not sure what his downfall would entail. -BEGIN

Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism

2014-10-16 Thread Keith Hart
Hi Ted, Thanks for the best contribution to this thread. I am sure you are right to emphasise the contradiction between scholasticism and reaching a broader public. I am convinced that a lot of it was envy of Morozov's public reach and I too wonder if his apparently perverse career move into the