Re: nettime John Naughton: Edward Snowden: public indifference

2013-10-27 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
Very good question. And why is the NSA bad? I read their budged and I liked it. Am 26.10.2013 20:44, schrieb morlockel...@yahoo.com: Why is surveillance bad? How does it affect one's life in unambiguous terms? What really happens to the victims of surveillance? They dont have to write CVs

Re: nettime John Naughton: Edward Snowden: public indifference

2013-10-27 Thread John Hopkins
Hallo August - The current challenge, however, is first cultural, economic and political, then technical. Unless we can set aside some institutional support to build public electronic infrastructures that cater to users without the data surveillance and without major pressure from industry

Re: nettime John Naughton: Edward Snowden: public indifference is the real

2013-10-26 Thread august
Original to: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/public-indifference-nsa-snowden-affair John Naughton The Observer, Sunday 20 October 2013 Edward Snowden: public indifference is the real enemy in the NSA affair Most people don't seem to worry that government agencies

Re: nettime John Naughton: Edward Snowden: public indifference is

2013-10-26 Thread dan
Let us hope that Daniel Solove is right, that the absence of public outcry is the public saying I have nothing to hide, and that it is not Dostoevsky's Grand Inquisitor saying In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us your slaves, but feed us.' --dan #

Re: nettime John Naughton: Edward Snowden: public indifference

2013-10-26 Thread morlockelloi
The real problem is quantifying the consequences, the danger and negative outcomes of the surveillance. Why is surveillance bad? How does it affect one's life in unambiguous terms? What really happens to the victims of surveillance? Do they get less income/benefits in the future? Do they buy

nettime John Naughton: Edward Snowden: public indifference is the real

2013-10-25 Thread Patrice Riemens
Original to: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/public-indifference-nsa-snowden-affair John Naughton The Observer, Sunday 20 October 2013 Edward Snowden: public indifference is the real enemy in the NSA affair Most people don't seem to worry that government agencies are

Re: nettime John Naughton: Edward Snowden: public indifference is

2013-10-25 Thread Molly Hankwitz
hey, patrice, thank you for posting this wonderful article. it may be that the sheer volume of data reportedly being collected seems an absurd amount to read and so an impossible task even for machines to scan that it can't be taken seriously. that said, does it really matter? a surveillance state