Re: nettime Nobel laureate in economics aged 102 endorses the human economy...

2013-01-28 Thread Newmedia
Brian: But when you follow the technology, Mark, it leads to the questions of social reproduction and of government. Exactly! It's really a pleasure to discuss this with someone who does their homework! g According to Perez, it's only after the successful resolution of the

Re: nettime Nobel laureate in economics aged 102 endorses the human economy...

2013-01-23 Thread Newmedia
John: The submersion (perversion!) of much general systems thinking into the cybernetic/military-industrial was an unfortunate result of crossovers between all these people (and others) at the time. As I emphasized to Brian, when you look at any of this with perversion and

Re: nettime Nobel laureate in economics aged 102 endorses the human economy...

2013-01-23 Thread Newmedia
Brian: And the question is: Does this represent the longed-for foundation of a new expansionist wave? Or (more likely in my view) just the agitated death throes of neoliberal informationalism? There you go again! g You really can't put an ideology on these developments, since they are

Re: nettime Nobel laureate in economics aged 102 endorses the human economy...

2013-01-22 Thread John Hopkins
hehe Mark Economics is in *trouble* (like the rest of social science) because it leaves out basic realities and these simplifications -- whether in the service of modeling assumptions or whatever -- have now become too important to ignore. By emphasizing the HUMANS, you have correctly noted

Re: nettime Nobel laureate in economics aged 102 endorses the human economy...

2013-01-21 Thread Newmedia
Ed/Brian/Keith: Thank you for this wonderful essay . . . Hurray for the nettime lovefest! Ed loves Keith. Keith loves Brian. Brian loves (depends if you mean in public or in private) . . . ?? g Here's the discussion about Keith's *manifesto* on Facebook -- _Mark Stahlman_

Re: nettime Nobel laureate in economics aged 102 endorses the human economy...

2013-01-21 Thread Newmedia
Brian: Now, both Sugihara and Arrighi are clearly idealizing the Industrious Revolution, and I am not so sure (at all) that you would find these good things happening in the factories and supply-chains of Sony or the Toyota Motor Company! Does either Sugihara or Arrighi ever mention

Re: nettime Nobel laureate in economics aged 102 endorses the human economy approach

2013-01-20 Thread Brian Holmes
On 01/18/2013 08:05 AM, Keith Hart wrote: A century ago, Alfred Marshall, author of Principles of Economics (1890) and Keynes' teacher at Cambridge defined economics as both a study of wealth and a branch of the study of man. But, in a manifesto published in the Harvard Business Review last

Re: nettime Nobel laureate in economics aged 102 endorses the human economy approach

2013-01-20 Thread Brian Holmes
Hello Keith, hello everyone - On 01/19/2013 12:48 PM, Keith Hart wrote: I believe we are witnessing a drive for corporate home rule which would leave them the only citizens in a world society made to suit their interests. This is the logical conclusion of the collapse of the difference

nettime Nobel laureate in economics aged 102 endorses the human economy approach

2013-01-18 Thread Keith Hart
*Thanks for the idea*, Mark. Nettimers can check out the human economy program at http://web.up.ac.za/humaneconomy. Ronald * *Coase, an American economist of British origin, won a Nobel prize for inventing the idea of transaction costs in his famous paper The nature of the firm (1937). He is now