nettime Will your insurance company subsidize your quantified self?

2014-04-21 Thread Alexander Bard
2014-04-21 0:41 GMT+02:00 Florian Cramer fcra...@pleintekst.nl: Hello Alexander, As for the meaning of the concept netocracy we could of course also speak of a digerati (to me though that term sounds like banal marketing speech) but why not of the net aristocracy Tyler Cowen portrays in his

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2014-04-18 Thread Florian Cramer
Alexander, I can sense that we disagree already - and probably have to agree to disagree - but let me just state that netocracy is already well defined in internt social theory and needs no confusing redefinition from you nor anybody else. If Wikipedia can be believed, then the internet

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2014-04-17 Thread Flick Harrison
(who is top if you google search engine if not Google themselves?) You'd be surprised. Google not even on the first page... except the last hit is an ad for google search appliance. https://www.google.ca/#q=search+enginesafe=off and ignoring mioneymaking in strategy is the fastest growing

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2014-04-17 Thread James Barrett
Dear Alexander, I have enjoyed hearing you speak on this topic numerous times and there is one thing I have long wanted to ask regarding the idea that: those who use The Internet to their own advantage and who strengthen their power by successfully creating social networks within which they

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2014-04-17 Thread Alexander Bard
Dear Flick and James No, money is not the end of all things. Unless you still wear the most popular t-shirt from the 19th century: Whoever has the most money when he dies wins. The end of all things is of course power and not money (cue in a Zizekian manner of course taken from House of Cards).

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2014-04-16 Thread Alexander Bard
Dear Florian I can sense that we disagree already - and probably have to agree to disagree - but let me just state that netocracy is already well defined in internt social theory and needs no confusing redefinition from you nor anybody else. Netocrats are those who use The Internet to their own

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2014-04-15 Thread dan
| As Enzensberger's Rules for the Digital World suggest - somewhat | unintentionally -, freedom of electronic devices will be a privilege | of the wealthy. In the near future, to be upper class will no longer | mean that you carry the latest electronic gadget, but that you can | afford the

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2014-04-15 Thread Alexander Bard
And still, while this analysis is correct it is also merely half-right. What it is not taking into perspective is the fact that the Internet itself fosters a new parallel class system of a netocracy versus a consumtariat. But that is of course because the members of Nettime themselves are all

nettime Will your insurance company subsidize your quantified self?

2014-04-14 Thread Felix Stalder
[Is there a difference between subsidizing those who do and penalizing whose who don't? Felix] Apple may seek health insurer subsidies for iWatch fitness bands By PATRICK SEITZ Posted 04/11/2014 07:27 PM ET

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2014-04-14 Thread mp
On 14/04/14 09:58, Felix Stalder wrote: We continue to feel this product will differentiate itself with existing wearable products primarily from a health perspective with a number of key innovations including noninvasive blood cell count and blood pressure and other more pedestrian features

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2014-04-14 Thread Keith Sanborn
It wd be interesting to make public how that figures into actuarial tables. On Apr 14, 2014, at 5:02 AM, mp m...@aktivix.org wrote: On 14/04/14 09:58, Felix Stalder wrote: We continue to feel this product will differentiate itself with existing wearable products primarily from a health

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2014-04-14 Thread Wolfie Christl
On 14.04.2014 09:58, Felix Stalder wrote: [Is there a difference between subsidizing those who do and penalizing whose who don't? Felix] Felix, you're thinking in the wrong direction. This guy has got it right: Quantified Self is not the destination; it is a tool in our journey to know

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2014-04-14 Thread Karin Spaink
Also, it's an incentive for self-surveillance and permanent awareness. Monitor your own body, before somebody else does. (Where is Foucault now tat we desperately need him?) On Apr 14, 2014, at 20:50 , Florian Cramer wrote: This is likely the beginning of a social class and status symbol