Re: nettime crowd-funding on nettime

2012-08-28 Thread czegledy
Fully agree with Andreas nina I agree. Sascha On Mon, August 27, 2012 8:59 am, Keith Sanborn wrote: I would prefer not to have them on Nettime. I believe they abuse the function of the list, which has been a reasonably civil exchange of ideas, insights, intuitions, fads and nonsense.

Re: nettime crowd-funding on nettime

2012-08-28 Thread Prem Chandavarkar
One way to look at it is from the viewpoint of information symmetry. When a forum revolves purely around ideas, then once the idea comes into the public domain of the forum everyone has an equal relationship to it. So the forum is founded on high levels of information symmetry. Monetary

Re: nettime crowd-funding on nettime

2012-08-28 Thread Morlock Elloi
Posts asking for money always have the same point - money - and this uniformity does not seem compatible with nettime. It hurts the entropy. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text

Re: nettime crowd-funding on nettime

2012-08-28 Thread Christopher Leslie
I think Keith's response is phrased particularly well. A conversation that does not overtly involve money is still funded in some way … otherwise there would be no way to use a network to send it and receive it and we would not have the leisure to participate. To keep the list supposedly

Re: nettime crowd-funding on nettime

2012-08-28 Thread Andreas Broeckmann
folks, first, in my experience, nothing takes 5-10 secs, and even if it does, there are always at least 24 instances of this which makes it 2-4 mins, plus x. (i think that proposals like keith's should come with a donation of personal time to get such simple routines started.) second, maybe

Re: nettime The Unconscious Performance of Identity: A Review of Johannes P. Osterhoff’s “Google”

2012-08-28 Thread Nick
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 09:30:51AM -0400, Owen Mundy wrote: I wrote a review of an online performance staged during Transmediale this year. Here is an excerpt and link: Thanks a lot for sharing this, Owen, it was very thought-provoking; it was wonderfully framed. Issues of privacy and data

Re: nettime crowd-funding on nettime

2012-08-28 Thread Morlock Elloi
2-4 minutes times 4,000 is 130-260 brain-hours, at average 10W/brain it comes to 1.3-2.6 KWh. Human energy source is more expensive than electricity, so this is likely $15-30 hard cash per moneyspam considering only energy costs. If you add maintenance, housing and lost brain cycles, it goes

Re: nettime The Vegetative Prince Will Not Wake Up: Dutch Prince Friso medical ethics and the ordeal of social inequality

2012-08-28 Thread Keith Sanborn
I was incredulous myself. Google Remenlink report and you will find the numbers are closer to 6,000 involuntary terminations of life On Aug 28, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Karin Spaink ka...@spaink.net wrote: On Aug 28, 2012, at 06:12 , martin hardie wrote: he figures i refer to were from the first

Re: nettime crowd-funding on nettime

2012-08-28 Thread John Hopkins
Crowd-sourcing is a form of advertising based on an appeal to social pseudo-solidarity. Unlike other speech acts on this list, it has carries a Bingo, Keith! I think this hits on imho the most repugnant disturbing aspect -- the under-lying intense ego-centricity of social media hyping in

Re: nettime The Unconscious Performance of Identity: A Review of Johannes P. Osterhoff’s “Google”

2012-08-28 Thread Owen Mundy
Hi Nick, Thanks for the positive response. This is an important point you make below; that we've become accustomed to the conveniences we receive in exchange for giving up aspects of our private lives. Would these services actually cease to exist if tracking was forbidden? Maybe Google