Re: The Dawn of Everything (very short review)

2021-12-09 Thread Molly Hankwitz
Thank you I spotted this review yesterday https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2021/oct/23/the-dawn-of-everything-by-david-graeber-and-david-wengrow-review-inequality-is-not-the-price-of-civilisation and now look forward to the LSE seminars and more! cheers molly Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 9,

Re: The Dawn of Everything (very short review)

2021-12-09 Thread Iain Boal
"As a one-time theoretical physicist, I find this quote from Gosden to be out-dated, overly reductive, and incorrect, at least as far as the most thoughtful scientists go." Hmm. Well, there are thoughtful scientists who would immediately recognise in the Gosden gobbet the story of the late

Re: The Dawn of Everything (very short review)

2021-12-09 Thread Ted Byfield
So, basically, magic is indistinguishable from any sufficiently advanced technology. I mean, if we can't distinguish the two, then the observation should cut both ways, right? But Arthur C. Clarke's formulation, "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic," is the only

Re: wary of terms like synthesis

2021-12-09 Thread Gary Hall
Well, just to run with the definitions/connotations you provide... (and not to get into terms like 'whole') Most obviously perhaps in the context of  Felix's point that discussion of the environment is missing from Graeber and Wengrow's "The Dawn of Everything", there's the emphasis on 'the

Piazza virtuale, a social network before the internet

2021-12-09 Thread Tilman Baumgärtel
Dear all, I just finished a research project on "Piazza virtuale" by Van Gogh TV, an early attempt to create a social network via TV, that took place at documenta 9 in 1992, shortly before the internet changed the rules for remote global participation and collaboration. Here is a

Re: The Dawn of Everything (very short review)

2021-12-09 Thread mp
On 09/12/2021 06:59, Michael Goldhaber wrote: > As a one-time theoretical physicist, I find this quote from Gosden to > be out-dated, overly reductive, and incorrect, at least as far as > the most thoughtful scientists go. > > Scientific understanding doesn’t “derive from abstraction,” but >

Re: Piazza virtuale, a social network before the internet

2021-12-09 Thread carlo von lynX
On Thu, Dec 09, 2021 at 01:09:18PM +0100, Tilman Baumgärtel wrote: > I just finished a research project on "Piazza virtuale" by Van Gogh > TV, an early attempt to create a social network via TV, that took > place at documenta 9 in 1992, shortly before the internet changed > the rules for remote

Re: The Dawn of Everything (very short review)

2021-12-09 Thread John Hopkins
Felix, I haven't read the book, but I would posit that the analysis would be seriously flawed if it did not take into account that whatever the architecture of the human system, it was fully embedded in the wider ecosystem of energy flows. Because of that embeddedness, all forms of human