nettime We must build social power, not pretend we can hold the powerful to account. (on 9/11)

2011-09-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
The day after the 10th anniversary of the September 11 attacks a discusion broke out on the theory list of the wonderful Philadelphia Socialists[1] group, triggered by a CunterPunch article that critiques 9/11 conspiracy theory[2]. Cockburn's article includes this important point: These days

Re: nettime Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-23 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 00:48:34 +0200, Matze Schmidt matze.schm...@n0name.de wrote: The Pirate Party Germany is just a young liberal party defending benefits for and of middle class business or creative people in the so called hypermobile city as some belive Berlin may be one. Hey Matze, the

Re: nettime Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-24 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:09:41 +0200, Matze Schmidt matze.schm...@n0name.de wrote: Hi Dmytri, yes, but the paryt was simply your kind of proposition to the rest of the text. The party was used as an example of a cause based party, which I argue can not mobilize the masses, and therefore can

Re: nettime Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-24 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:19:25 +0200, Matze Schmidt matze.schm...@n0name.de wrote: Well, you've been telling that the the workplace is not the place where appropriation is felt. Feeling and knowing are diffrent types of consciousness or awareness. To feel I'm not exploited does not mean that

Re: nettime Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-30 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:13:38 +0200, Matze Schmidt matze.schm...@n0name.de wrote: Sorry, some last words to it: Thanks, I appreciate your feedback. If you reject the possibility of knowing the essence (which is a dynamic thing not just 'static essence') behind, under or besides the

Re: nettime The Revolutionary Role of a Transnational Counterparty

2011-10-27 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Hey Chris, not sure yet how the actual internal democracy would be structured, I guess that itself would be designed byway of a democratic process. On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:38:48 -0400, chris mann chrs...@gmail.com wrote: or, everyone gets five (5) votes which they can spend in the countries

Re: nettime The Revolutionary Role of a Transnational Counterparty

2011-10-28 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Thanks Brian, I certainly agree that there would be a lot of commonality with these movements. However, I think the opportunity here is bigger than, we need to have a Mass movement, which the radicalism of OWS, etc, as much as I love it, and identify with it, could never have. We need to reach

nettime How I accidentally became a blogger and blogged the #28c3

2012-01-03 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Well, #28c3 has come and gone. I’m not sure how it happened, but after all these years on the internet, It looks like I’ve somehow become a blogger. I never really wanted to be a blogger, after all the most exciting thing about the Internet has always been the ability for users to interact

nettime #R15N, The Official Miscommunication Platform of @transmediale 2012

2012-01-10 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
A delegation from Transmediale 2012 [1] came over to my place last night to discuss the latest Telekommunisten artwork, R15N [2]. In addition to various organizational and technical details that we need to work out in preparation for the not-to-be-missed upcoming Transmediale, we talked about

nettime The Debtors' Song

2012-02-14 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Well, it's been a while since I wrote anything about the Debtors' Party, I have a few texts in mind about horizontal money, about why we should continue to use the word communism, and more about the macroeconomics of class struggle, but I thought I'd start by honouring a debt. I promised my

Re: nettime Mute article on Bitcoin

2012-03-05 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 04.03.2012 16:50, Jaromil wrote: hi Josie, The Wine and Cheese Appreciation Society and Scott Len take the currency seriously but ask, how exactly does it differ from 'real' money? A rather quick conclusion, comprehensible since it takes some knowledge of cryptography to understand

Re: nettime Mute article on Bitcoin

2012-03-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Hey Jaromil! Great to see you too, too bad I couldn't hang out longer, no doubt we'll bump into each other again sooner, rather than later. I fully understand that DYNDY and your research is not focused only on BitCoin, however this thread, and the mute article it references is specifically

Re: nettime 'Occupy' as a business model: The emerging open-source civilisation

2012-03-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Hey Ben, just quickly, first of all I don't intend to dictate answers to you questions, my question is economic, how to allow labour to retain more of the product of it's labour, your question is administrative, and that is, of course, something that's best discovered through practise. In any

nettime The Macroeconomic Identity of Communism

2012-04-17 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
://www.dmytri.info/the-macroeconomic-identity-of-communism/ -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http

nettime Revolutionary Flows of Value in the Macroeconomy

2012-04-24 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
/false-defences-of-utopian-thought/ (4) http://wp.me/p24fqL-2E (5) http://bit.ly/buchhandlung   A shareable version of this text is online here: http://www.dmytri.info/revolutionary-flows-of-value-in-the-macroeconomy/     -- Dmytri Kleiner http://www.trick.ca # distributed via nettime

nettime Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12

2012-05-08 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
be at Stammtisch as usual around 9pm, please come by, anybody still hanging around after #rp12 is more than welcome to join us. You can find us here: http://bit.ly/buchhandlung A sharable version of this text can be found here: http://www.dmytri.info/privacy-moglen-ioerror-rp12/ -- Dmytri Kleiner

nettime Commercialization makes your online rights irrelevant, more thoughts from my talk with @ioerror at #rp12

2012-05-15 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
as usual tonight. Please join us. {1} http://www.dmytri.info/privacy-moglen-ioerror-rp12/ {2} http://bit.ly/buchhandung -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative

Re: nettime crowd-funding on nettime

2012-09-04 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
, we can perhaps crowd fund capacity by way of the commons to sustain a new society from wich a new cultural economy can emerge. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism

nettime Eternal September

2012-09-04 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
} http://r15n.net {8} http://www.eternal-september.org/?language=en {9} http://bit.ly/buchhandlung -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering

nettime Debt As A Public Good, Berlin #BeautifulTrouble Book Launch w/ @AndrewBoyd @Info_Activism // Attn @BTroublemakers

2012-09-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
-launch-berlin/ {3} http://www.dmytri.info/collected-texts-related-to-the-debtors-party-initiative-updated/ {4} http://www.dmytri.info/debtors-song/ {5} http://bit.ly/buchhandlung Find this text online for comments and sharing: http://www.dmytri.info/debt-as-a-public-good/ -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture

Re: nettime Debt As A Public Good, Berlin #BeautifulTrouble Book Launch w/ @AndrewBoyd @Info_Activism // Attn @BTroublemakers

2012-09-12 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
rhetorical purpose for exhuming this relic. -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http

Re: nettime Olivier Auber: Network symetry and net neutrality

2013-03-04 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
, since without it, only institutions such as google can broadcast to large audiences. I agree that it is a different issue than P2P. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net

nettime M-C-LOL: Circuits of value in the Lulz economy.

2014-02-07 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Buchhandlung tonight around 9pm or so, come by if you're in time, hope we have lots of surprise guests still hanging around Berlin after transmediale. sharable version: http://www.dmytri.info/m-c-lol/ -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without

Re: nettime Finn Brunton: A short history of spam (LMD)

2014-02-28 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
=== Mail-from: DEC-MARLBORO rcvd at 3-May-78 0955-PDT Date: 1 May 1978 1233-EDT From: THUERK at DEC-MARLBORO Subject: ADRIAN@SRI-KL To: DDAY at SRI-KL, DAY at SRI-KL, DEBOER at UCLA-CCN, [SNIP]... [SNIP]... [SNIP]... [SNIP]... [SNIP]... [SNIP]... [SNIP] -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture

nettime Dear #NETMundial, Governance is cool and all, but we need to DEMAND

2014-04-29 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Many of my friends and colleagues where in Sao Paulo last week for NETMundial, the Multi-stakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance. Dilma Rousseff, President of Brazil, convened this initiative to focus on principles of Internet governance and the proposal for a roadmap for

nettime WhiteSave.me -- The App That Delivers Privilege

2015-07-27 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
WhiteSave.me The App That Delivers Privilege WhiteSave.me enables White men to help non-Whites to succeed in life without disrupting existing systems and long-standing traditions. http://whitesave.me http://whitesave.me/#release http://whitesave.me/#call Just released this new work. ---

Put On Your Corbyn Face!

2017-05-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
and more interesting tracking models. -- Dmytri Kleiner http://dmytri.info @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org

The Face Value of Bitcoin: Proof of Work and the Labour Theory of Value

2018-02-03 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/face-value-bitcoin-proof-work-labour-theory-value/2018/02/01 # The Face Value of Bitcoin: Proof of Work and the Labour Theory of Value Dmytri Kleiner Bitcoin was created to be a new kind of money rooted in a vision of a market not bound by geography, banks

Re: Mechanical Turkish

2018-01-31 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 2018-01-29 22:40, Brian Holmes wrote: > The urgent question today is how to > create collective forms of democratic government for complex societies > captivated by the myth of the sovereign individual. Read C.B. Macpherson? -- Dmytri Kleiner http://dmytri.info @dmytri # di

Re: The Face Value of Bitcoin: Proof of Work and the Labour

2018-02-07 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
Sure, a blockchain without a cryptocurrency could work that way, but that would not accomplish the goals of the bitcoin creators. You might be interested in Taler: https://taler.net/en/ Anyway, thanks for the feedback, if you're on twitter, would be awesome if you'd share it! Where are you

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
we want to work out strategies, we first need to join a side, there is no role for random, powerless, disconnected self-entitled judges of "both sides" that leads anywhere but defeat. Best, On 2021-01-11 13:59, Frank Rieger wrote: On 10. Jan 2021, at 22:56, Dmytri Kleiner wrote:

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 2021-01-11 16:55, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: Frank, honestly, and with all due respect, it is your take that is boring beyond words. And just to be clear, when I say with all due respect, I mean it. CCC has many commendable projects, including Chaos Macht Schule, and has worked with the local

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
hauvinsim nor doctrinaire idealism, the state is just people and develops dialectically, and the people who make it up must be engaged with dialogically. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net critici

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
. Especially when their paycheques depend on it. Plenty of material from which Franks' position could be critiqued, yet certainly not through toxic male dominance gestures like yours. I have great respect for Frank. I trust he wont mistake spirited writing with insult. -- Dmytri Kleiner

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-11 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
international organizations, which are the results of the post-World War II order. The international sphere will see great changes after this crisis and in the beginning of next year. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderat

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-12 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ote, quoted in a different response here, about the rise of China and the new global possibilities this is opening up, you might think that this should be taken into account in any talk of, you know, a "strategy" for the left? Best, On 2021-01-11 23:18, Brian Holmes wrote: On Sun, J

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-12 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ing against long diatribes and laying down page after page of your own thoughts, etc. Oh well.. On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:35 , Dmytri Kleiner wrote: MST is certainly not, MST is a direct movement of the oppressed, and firmly rooted in improving their material conditions. It is you that s

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-10 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
themselves above both sides offering enlightened judgement, but have no insight and no stake. They are narcissistic propagandists. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
t our prospects as part of a connected global left are world changing. A dialogical internationalist approach is the way to resolve this contradiction, think globally, act locally, as even the patches sewn on to student backpacks and bumber-stickers on hybrid cars tell us. Cheers, -- Dmytri Kle

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
e would enrich this discussion, especially as concerns your experience in Wisonsin and the networks you describe. Cheers, -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cu

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-15 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
strategy. On 2021-01-15 21:02, Joseph Rabie wrote: A question for Dmytri: Is China a truly Communist country, and if so, what are the markers of this? -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-19 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
s a Statue, Vijay Prashad. [1] https://www.thetricontinental.org/newsletterissue/2-united-states-democracy/ -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultura

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-19 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
he questions of left strategy that have been discussed. [1] https://ash.harvard.edu/files/ash/files/final_policy_brief_7.6.2020.pdf -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text fil

Re: The List needs a new Topic

2021-01-20 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
was still common in the late 1960s, we must undertake the intellectual exercise of entering into dialogue with his gendered forms of expression with the aim of critical reflection and developing emancipatory alternatives. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-16 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On 2021-01-16 16:53, Joseph Rabie wrote: Le 16 janv. 2021 à 11:24, Dmytri Kleiner a écrit : Judging China is not a part of his strategy, and should not be, because it's a bad strategy. We should trust the Chinese workers to resolve their contradictions, and focus on our own rather than

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-16 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
their contradictions, and focus on our own rather than allowing our elite to propagandize into thinking they are our enemies. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
s facing concrete proglems, led by their own organic leaders, not third party pundits, where we organize, try stuff, learn the results and iterate forward, always building class power. This is the strategy we need, and as Jane McAlevey would note, there are no shortcuts. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmyt

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
‘intervention' from our moderators. Ted? IB On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:28, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: On 2021-01-18 13:42, Felix Stalder wrote: So, what exactly is the lesson that China holds for "us", that is, cultural/knowledge workers While these questions hold promise, it feels

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
econd Browser Wars. I'm entitled to shock and awe nettime once every decade, and neither Ted nor Felix will risk relegation to the tickle gulag. However, I never resist moderation. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
McAlevey to Lean UX, as well as a domesticated parallel construction in Business Management Thoery, especially Goldratt and Deming. If all this is boring, I'm not sure what this list finds interesting anymore. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-14 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
t to the elite. So that's where we are and how we lose. They are a misleadership class. A dialogical internationalist strategy is how we win. Hope this pandemic lets up eventually and we can have a beer together at stammtisch again soon, thanks for the discussion. Best, -- Dmytri Kl

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
strategies in numerous constituencies and workplaces. Rest assured that much of what I'm discussing comes from experiences in constituencies and workplaces, even when I don't provide surveillance photos to match. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
and denouncements, while pretending to be the injured party. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ly have the agency and insight to do so in our homes, while we protect each other from aggression from our own Hauptfiend is a strategy that could well work, and thus is a good strategy for the left. Best, -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-18 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
in person. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.n

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-17 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
itutionalist strategy as thus, the extent to which any institutional form is deemed "democratic" aka legitimate, follows the extent (and breadth) to which peer review carries throughout the whole process of leadership appointment, agenda setting, and resource allocation. Yes, and ultimat

Re: offlist Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

2021-01-17 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
are a mcarthyist gatekeeper, that is why you keep writing in this thread. The good news is more and more of the young are no longer swayed by this victims of communism memorial foundation type chauvinism and epoch times talking points. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use

Uneasy Social: The Telekommunisten Assembly @transmediale

2021-01-30 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
seat in Prenzlauer Berg! MOO programming sessions every month! The Telekommunisten Assembly: https://asym.me/assembly/ or join us by telnet assembly.asym.me port need help? just ask in the MOO or join our discord! https://discord.gg/tZymcq4XTW -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via

Re: The List needs a new Topic

2021-01-20 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
ommunisten project, born in the hacker, activist and media art circles that many of us share, has led me to be in contact with these communities, and I will now go where they lead, even if that means, sadly, walking away from some of you. -- Dmytri Kleiner @dmytri # distributed via : no comm

Disassociation from Michel Bauwens

2021-03-12 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
n, Germany. Dmytri Kleiner, software developer, Berlin, Germany. Cindy Kohtala, researcher of peer production, Helsinki, Finland. Alekos Pantazis, researcher, Tallinn University of Technology & core member, P2P Lab. David Potočnik, CHT/Totalism.org hackbase, Canary Islands. Sharon Prendeville, S

Re: what does monetary value indicate?

2021-03-13 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
of crypto currencies, though an NFT is a collectible not a currency, so it has a different economic identity. https://www.newsclick.in/face-value-bitcoin-proof-work-and-labour-theory-value --- The Face Value of Bitcoin: Proof of Work and the Labour Theory of Value Dmytri Kleiner Bitcoin

Re: what does monetary value indicate?

2021-03-14 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: -- Dmytri Kleiner http://dmytri.info @dmytri # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more i

nettime Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money

2012-11-01 Thread Dmytri Kleiner/ Friends .
I want to write a bit about the public function of money, especially as compared to the market function of money, in light of some of the recent discussion about Bitcoin. Bitcoin is already a very useful technology due to the fact that it allows transactions to take place without any central