nettime a call to the army of love etc. etc.

that is hermetic and not at all constructive. allan siegel # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo

nettime no more bubble gum?

Mike Davis' excitement is warranted but his argument strays wide of the mark and is finally contradictory. Which Occupy the World Movement is he referring to? And, whose anger remains on Gandhian low heat. If movements in Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Rome etc... are part of this OWM they have

nettime political-economy and desire

Greetings On this question it might be worth it for those interested to take a look at The Passions and the Interests by Albert O. Hirschman at Princeton Univ Press. He illustrates the historical roots of what we can call the 'avaricious' side of capitalism; an issue that has been debated for

nettime capitalism; will socialism survive?

Hello In regards to will capitalism survive question I am posting this interview will Alain Badiou where he shifts the discourse in a worthwhile direction. cheers Allan Van Houdt From Kant to Husserl, and now to your work, the move to transcendental philosophy has, for the most part, taken

nettime The .art TLD again: E-Flux are soliciting support for their bid

Hello, well since I first received this request of support from E-Flux I have been wondering about the implications; not good - not good at all. This seems to me to be a rather blatant power grab on the part of the E-Flux crew. The E-Flux service (which may or may not be non-profit) has more

nettime global financial fraud

we live in a society where capitalism itself has become rampantly feral. Feral politicians cheat on their expenses; feral bankers plunder the public purse for all it's worth; CEOs, hedge fund operators, and private equity geniuses loot the world of wealth; telephone and credit card compan ies load

nettime the middle class doesn't exist

Twenty years ago, class was not in the vocabulary of Swedish pundits and mavens. Class was something that belonged to the past. Today, however, it is back with a vengeance. Recently the Swedish Occupy movement Allt åt alla (Everything for Everyone) organized a bus safari through exclusive

nettime the disappearing middle class and snake oil salesmen

hi there, well, to tell the truth, after reading just the infamous (so it seems) Jaron Lanier interview it is not his shabby analysis that is shocking, i.e. Of course jobs become obsolete. But the only reason that new jobs were created was because there was a social contract in which a more

nettime will be there be jobs?

Hello, Well Brian is spot-on when he says, We live under the grip of *that* professional universe, whose expansion and accumulation of power has marked the entire neoliberal era. If there is no counter-project, their power will only grow in the course of this crisis. The fact is that too many

nettime spying, surveillance and the everyday

Greetings All, Of course one can expect boiling outrage at the copious amounts of hoovering of data, eavesdropping and classical snooping that characterises the numerous Snowden/NSA revelations. What a good part of the discussions focus on is the notion of the 'invasion of privacy' either on an

nettime whole earth or planet america catalogue

Dear Nettime listers… Like so much of 60s counter culture initiatives the Whole Earth Catalogue was soaked up by the various forms of consumer fetishism symptomatic of a highly developed consumerist society; a phenomenon that Herbert Marcuse understood only too well. As a consequence it is

nettime Bosnia and Syria: Intervention

Hello there, Was this post meant to be ironic? If not then it is a stunning example of the Thomas Friedman school of journalism masquerading as serious analysis. This kind of self-righteous commentary is so off the mark that what one can only wonder about the type of research process that

nettime public indifference

Excuse me but is public indifference considered to be a new phenomenon is that really what it is? Remember Daniel Ellsberg, the Pentagon Papers? Levels of domestic and international surveillance have intensified logarithmically in the post-war period; just imagine what J. Edgar would have done

nettime The Californian Reality (from: New Geography)

Hello, Thanks Brian for the snapshot history lesson; what seems to be glossed over in your letter is this salient point: Not only in California, but across the world there are new oligarchies who dispose (of us) more or less as they please. Unlike the student movements of 2009, I don't think

nettime The Californian Reality (from: New Geography)

Hello, Two points here from Brian worth extending a bit further in this discussion because they seem to me critical if we are ever going to move beyond the social, governmental and corporate paradigms assembled by what he calls the full-fledged transnational capitalist class.” And it is a

nettime Hungary in focus

http://www.eurozine.com/comp/focalpoints/hungary2013.html Hungary in focus In recent years, Hungary has been a constant concern for anyone interested in European politics and Eurozine has published extensively on different aspects of the Hungarian situation. Ahead of the Hungarian

nettime HME's 10 rules (yet again)

Hi there, What a great flow of emotions Herr Enzensberger has generated over these days; seems like his 10 points for survival in the overlapping realms of the analog and digital worlds (as opposed to the post-digital mash-up which probably lies somewhere gestating in psychedelic glory in a

nettime a political economy of new media

Hello, Excerpt from: Astra Taylor’s book The People’s Platform: Taking Back Power and Culture in the Digital Age.” I definitely thought there was something missing, a critique or an analysis that really emphasized the economic underpinnings of this technological transformation; what I thought

nettime democracy and decentralization

Hello, Well, there is a difference between actual physical control and the propogated illusion of control (thanks Brian for bringing Foucault back into the discussion - I have the feeling he never left). If we accept or passively follow the various socialising paradigms where mega-companies

nettime tensions? elites? governance?

Hello, This discussion seems to have moved from one end of a shallow pool to another. As Felix has said, What astounds and dismays me now is that all we -- lefty artist/intellectuals on this list -- manage to produce is a cynicism and bickering. And, that the discussion is 'stale.' Yes, to say

nettime social media political activism redux

Hello, The recent massive public demonstrations in Budapest against a repressive internet tax, amongst other issues, raises once again questions of the role of social media (and Facebook in particular) as mobilising vehicles for social protest and political activism. As Alice Neerson writes in

nettime Facebook as social space of play

Allan Resposted from Berfrois Laurent Berlant performs as clicking by Lauren Berlant Today I introduced Facebook to someone older than me and had a long conversation about what the point of networking amongst friends is. The person was so skeptical because to her stranger and

Re: nettime Ubiquitous Commons and Stakhanov at transmediale in Berlin

Dear Salvatore, I understand that this was a manifesto - or a draft manifesto - but, aside from the fuzziness surrounding the use of the concept of the commons (a critical issue), what remains problematical to me is the manner in which the digital commons, as you envision it, is connected or

Re: nettime Ubiquitous Commons and Stakhanov at transmediale in Berlin

Hello, Since this announcement has been cross-posted I???ll add Daniel Verhoeven response to this as well as my own. FROM DV: Dear All, A good start would be to define ?commons?. The fuziness about the commons is ubiquitous, not the commons. See for a proposal:

nettime Crisis 2.0 - the political turn (some comments) P.S.

Hello Brian, Just a few comments: By postmodern delirium I was referring to that moment when people seemed to abandon history and succumbed to ???capitalism's ability to deliver the goods??? and Reagan and Thatcher were the shining stars starring down the Soviet bear and celebrating

Re: nettime Ubiquitous Commons and Stakhanov at transmediale in (mp)

Hello MP, Here is a link provided by Daniel Verhoeven which provides some good initial background; David Harvey in Rebel Cities has some more extensive materials. https://niepleuen.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/introduction-to-the-commons-and-some-definitions/ allan # distributed via nettime: no

nettime Crisis 2.0 - the political turn (some comments)

Hello, Yes, there is a crisis, that shouldn’t be a big surprise but what precisely is the crisis? A number of contemporary philosophers have been wading into this question for some time now; is it the crisis that marks a break with modernity? Quite possibly. Is it simply the economic crisis of

nettime Controlling the future

Elmar Altvater Controlling the future Edward Snowdon and the new era on Earth In June 2013, Edward Snowden began to uncover the machinations of the US National Security Agency (NSA) and the British Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), prompting a worldwide debate about the alarming

Re: nettime Reframing the Creative Question

Hello, Thank you Brian for your latest post. The issues you raise are certainly relevant these days; as they were in the past. An unfortunate problem is that the ‘organised Left’, or its half-organised versions, have used ‘culture’ and the voices of the ‘creative class’ in mostly

nettime point of information (before the end)

Hello, Sorry, but I came late to the Nettime party, I think my colleague Janos probably had something to do with this, and was wondering whether there are any founding documents that still exist? For me it would be useful to see what people were thinking back then when Nettime was launched and

nettime the end? or another beginning?

Hello, As T say, Nettime really is turning twenty, so this is a good time to think about what it wants to be when it grows up. Often, describing what we have done is a better way to start than asking what we should do. What WE should do and what WE can do. Very pertinent questions given the

nettime Feed my Feed: Radical publishing in Facebook Groups

while the display of the body within the profile is regulated in punitive, sexist fashion.” full text:  http://rhizome.org/editorial/2015/jul/22/feed-my-feed/?ref=nwslettr best Allan Siegel # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list

neoliberalism, etc.

dear Nettime: Alexander Bard states that, "a new class with a new ideology is the only possibility of genuine revolution. And such ideologies are derived from the potentialties of new technologies.” What utter nonsense. It is this kind of reductionist rubbish that keeps the wheels of

Digital leftism in a globalised world? (Trumpism vs. neoliberalism)

Hello, Trying to catch up with all the various points of view being thrown around here; but Alexander Bard makes an important point about the “sloppy” use of terms and the inevitable consequences’, i.e. loss of meaning and discursive traction… So, I hope this adds some clarity: "Neoliberalism

Trumps redux

Hello, (couldn’t hold myself back from this discussion) Trump represents and is the embodiment of the neo-fascist architype all too common in American culture: well defined in Sinclair Lewis' "In Can't Happen Here" or in Penn Warren's "All the King's Men" - the proverbial snake oil salesman

Re: Trump Rising - "the post office has been stolen and the

Thanks for writing Molly, A quick response to two of your items here before I get lost in something else… > On 2 Dec 2016, at 01:23, Molly Hankwitz wrote: > > hello allan, > thank you for writing this long summary of your perceptions anyway even if it > is not a

Nationalising big data

Big data for the people: it's time to take it back from our tech overlords Ben Tarnoff in the Guardian "A small number of companies have become extraordinarily rich by harvesting our data. But that wealth belongs to the many” This is not as far-fetched as it sounds; a very basic idea with some

DECODE project redux

Hello, Any project on the scale of DECODE is bound to be problematic and not cater to all the interest, tastes or preferred flavours of those that subscribe to this list but one would think, or hope, that the discussion around this project would not devolve so rapidly into the free form

Collective responses to digital neofeudalism | Eurozine

Hello, Some rather prescient observations here considering recent events. Allan Collective responses to digital neofeudalism | Eurozine https://www.eurozine.com/collective-responses-to-digital-neofeudalism/ # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated

Troll factories + Endgame

Hello, Certainly all indicators point to some kind of turning point - an historical moment where a wide range of political indicators and contradictions are searching for solutions AND where a wide range of hegemonic political forces seem ready to impose their vision of yet another new world

The New Military-Industrial Complex of Big Data Psy-Ops

Hello The New Military-Industrial Complex of Big Data Psy-Ops,  from  Apparently, the age of the old-fashioned spook is in decline. What is emerging instead is an obscure world of mysterious boutique companies specializing in data analysis and online influence that contract with government

he New Military-Industrial Complex of Big Data Psy-Ops link

Sorry: here is the missing link The New Military-Industrial Complex of Big Data Psy-Ops  It was there before but seemed to have disappeared Allan

Regulate Social Media

Hello Although small scale social media initiatives are important and useful their existence and development does not negate the necessity for dealing economically and politically with Facebook, Google et al... Here is one example - https://www.regulatesocialmedia.org/ I am sure others are

taking sides

Dear Nettime/rs I have also been lurking throughout this infuriating conversation that became increasingly self-indulgent and irrelevant and down the rabbit hole of leftist jargon, name dropping and other forma of grandstanding. To put it another way the discussion devolved rapidly and densely

Managing complexity

Hello, As I recall ‘complexity’ as discussed extensively by Henri Lefebvre is related more to urbanism (as Joe mentioned) than management. Complexity is more about the politics and social realities relating to the ‘right to the city’ than managing systems. Managerial complexity invariably leads

The smog covering Facebook transparency

Hello, All roads lead to Rome, or the the CIA, NSA, MI6, etc. etc. What happens when you try to follow the money and reach a seemingly dead end? "Obscure no-deal Brexit group is UK's biggest political spender on Facebook / Britain’s Future has spent £340,000 promoting hard exit – but no one

No evidence of digital wrong-doing...

On 28 January 2019 at 22:02:50, nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org (nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org) wrote: Brian asked the following question? So the question is: What kinds of social forms can be used to re-mediate  the formation of public opinion? In the recent past we tried forums, not 

The Communist Manifesto 2015 WTF

Hello, OH MY, looks like the Morlock Ellis is taking its cues from Donald Trump or on a lazy day Boris Johnson. The knucklehead analysis still perseveres. stay well all allan # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, #

forget about Agamben

Hello all, In response to the alarmingly strident tone of Agamben's rant I went to the source (which Brian thankfully provided - see below) to the much broader discourse which is far more illuminating than Agamben's alarmism (not at all surprising these days) so here is a response to Agamben

Re: A Question in Earnest

Dear Liz, Thanks for a timely condensed and basically spot-on history lesson. Herbert Marcuse was right: "repressive sublimation" has a long-afterlife deeply embedded in the America's delusional dreams... and the progressive left in the U.S. has yet to find its way of the tunnel vision of

there is nothing embarrassing about digital art

Hello, what is embarrassing is the assumptions that inherent to this discussion digital vs. analog; does somebody now the borderline where the good analog begins and the bad digital starts? are digital phone conversations embarrassing  or the fact that some gov agency is listening in? maybe

The Embarrassment

Hello, Spot On Timothy! allan # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive:

Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

Hello, Thanks Molly for your Sunday post... allan # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive:

Re: what does monetary value indicate?

Hello, "the hacker fascination with cryptocurrencies is a symptom of the same disease. There's no use going further with it. In the end, no one will be liberated. Everyone will be stuck with worse conditions on the ground. This is a dead-end avenue for culture. Crptocurrencies are the electronic

Re: what does monetary value indicate?

Hello "the hacker fascination with crypto currencies is a symptomof the same disease. There's no use going further with it. In the end, noone will be liberated. Everyone will be stuck with worse conditions on theground. This is a dead-end avenue for culture. Crptocurrencies are theelectronic

Anne Applebaum

Dear Michael and Nettimers, I do not favour a pre-screening of articles or anything of the like. Rather I am concerned about pointing out and contextualizing certain political arguments. Although she may think otherwise Applebaum represents a strata of opinion makers that specialises in a

The Propagandists' Playbook

Hello, This is an extremely informative podcast with lots of good research material.The Propagandists' Playbook. Thanks to Techpolicy Press https://techpolicypress.captivate.fm/listen 46 minutes When most people think about the problem of mis- and disinformation, they think first of social

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

Hello all, I think it is worth stating, again, that the folks who have initiated this move stated the following: "Nettime was founded at a time when, as quaint as it sounds, email was exciting. That's long since gone for those who experienced it, let alone for those who didn't.

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

iguration files, the historical archive, and so on) and decide who should do what. Whether or not this makes some people uncomfortable, Nettime has become a de facto institution and requires an institutional approach. Best wishes -- Geoff On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 10:07:16AM +0100, Allan S

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

Dear All, I think Mastodon has certain things going for it but the experience is very different from the Nettime LIST... The group who orchestrated the change in environments should have prepared users for the change and described a framework on how this change could work. To suddenly

Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

Hello, This is a good move with exciting possibilities. The fediverse is in an expansive mood right now with a massive influx of people; an intensely evolving social space with strong anti-corporate sensibilities. A forest with trees, paths to be explored - a refreshing landscape with a

Moving Nettime to the Fediverse​

Hello, As the Mod Squad said: "This is a chance to move beyond nettime's shrinking in-group, so feel free to invite others. Our goal is to keep tldr to a size where the local timeline remains a useful tool for an actual, not rhetorical, community; how big that is remains to be seen."

Stormy Weather?

Hello, Trying to get back to some of Brian's and others original concerns here is some useful background material; not from conspiracy theorists as far as I know. Thanks Alex for the information about the Milan event. And, Michael nice of you to bring a red herring to the discussion.

Re: Stormy weather?

# Nettime 12/02/23 Dear Brian and other nettimers. It is not an understatement to say that we are at the doorstep of a potential apocalypse; tragically following on the lingering residue of COVID and all the social trauma that continues to follow in its wake. The neoliberal paradigm is a

Re: Anne Applebaum

Hello Nettimers I find it odd that Anne Applebaum's questionable commentary on the events - and historical references - in Ukraine are uncritically posted here. Anne Applebaum is a notorious right-wing ideologue of the unquestionable neoliberal persuasion who has been lauded for her attacks on

Re: nettime-l Digest, Vol 176, Issue 11

>>>> if > >>>> anything, worse on that score. Global neoliberalism and the ardent belief > >>>> that borderless commerce would soothe the slumbering authoritarian beast > >>>> were the creations of the center-left in the Clinton-Blair-Schro