Re: [rfc] modems, isdn, and other relics of the stone age.

2005-07-26 Thread Sebastien ESTIENNE
Bastien Nocera wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:08 -0400, Robert Love wrote: So. I want to investigate tackling modems and such. Let's say anything that dials or anything that uses PPP. What you call stone age is still the preferred way to connect to GPRS, 3G, and Bluetooth PAN networks.

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread (( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ))
Nobody? Rgds, Joris 1.) Is there a possibility to make networkmanager connect from commande-line? 2.) My nm-applet only show Disconnect VPN... in the VPN Connections menu. Is there something special to configure to create a new VPN connection? Regards, Joris

Re: [rfc] modems, isdn, and other relics of the stone age.

2005-07-26 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 18:04 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Quoting Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think we've at least written off PPP and ISDN as being completely manual, since they require a load of configuration information already. We also cannot detect when we have carriers on these

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread Bryan Clark
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 18:15 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: I think something like this would work.. But how would one configure the available or preferred networks in the nobody context? Provided there is some way for a user to push this list of networks/keys into the nobody context I have no

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread Bryan Clark
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 20:27 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seriously, what's the difference to the end user? Having to type their password first? Having to restart gaim or psi or other apps because there's a race condition between login and network

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread Tony Murray
Robert Love wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:54 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: IMNSHO it would be much better to store this information globally so that NM can choose from pre-defined networks before the user is logged in. This certainly works fine for WEP or unprotected networks, and even for

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 20:27 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seriously, what's the difference to the end user? Having to type their password first? Not necessarily: Having to restart gaim or psi or other apps because there's a race condition between

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 03:05 +0200, Sebastien ESTIENNE wrote: D I also need it for other reasons than kerberos: - i can't acces my samba shares until i log in, using my laptops as mobile file server, sometimes i expect to just power it on and be able to acces my files. - the same for apache

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread warlord
Quoting Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Having to restart gaim or psi or other apps because there's a race condition between login and network startup? You ignored this issue... Caching credentials is a HARD problem. How is PAM supposed to know my kerberos password, unless it stores it

Re: [rfc] modems, isdn, and other relics of the stone age.

2005-07-26 Thread warlord
Quoting Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I may have been unclear :) We haven't written PPP/ISDN off at all, just decided that there's no possible way to make it automatic as with wired 802.11 networks. Therefore, its going to be more of a manual operation to connect, most likely, as with

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread warlord
Quoting Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 20:27 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seriously, what's the difference to the end user? Having to type their password first? Having to restart gaim or psi or other apps because there's a race

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 10:14 -0400, warlord wrote: Dan, you keep conflating two issues which are not the same. You seem to be confusing network exists at startup from network changes from under you. I'm concerned about the former, you seem to talking about the latter. I would conflate the

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 12:58 -0400, warlord wrote: Quoting Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Having to restart gaim or psi or other apps because there's a race condition between login and network startup? You ignored this issue... I ignored it because Dan answered it: all applications

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread warlord
Quoting Dan Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Note that I'm really only considering user/desktop apps here. We shouldn't expect server stuff like Apache to assume no network, since the whole point of Apache is that there _is_ a network to serve stuff to. But if somebody has a laptop that's always

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:55 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 16:54 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: no offense intended, but I still disagree with that design choice. It means you cannot use NM in a situation where you have wireless network and network-based login (e.g.

Re: [rfc] modems, isdn, and other relics of the stone age.

2005-07-26 Thread Brian Morrison
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:33:02 +0100 in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Derek Atkins wrote: I'd very much like to use NM to control my PPP-over-PCS configuration. Right now I have to manually ifup/ifdown the interface; it would be nice if it were tied into NM so I could

Re: Gentoo Backend

2005-07-26 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:28 -0500, Steev wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here is the patch for the Gentoo backend without the nscd -i hosts command. It compiles fine here and works, and another Gentoo user said that it works fine, except for he has to kill nscd before

Where are NM scripts stored?

2005-07-26 Thread Derek Atkins
Running STABLE_0_3, where can I put scripts that get run when NM binds to a _new_ IP address? I don't see anything obvious in /etc or in the docs. -derek -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB)

Re: 2 questions...

2005-07-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 18:20 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because I don't want my kerberos password cached.. Anywhere.. Anytime. What is the threat, exactly? Laptop theft? In that case, since the password is only cached in memory, as soon the