Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-11-09 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
ist@gnome.org> wrote: I haven't given up in the hope that NM will make a better WiFi AP selection. From what you have told me, a "supplicant", requests the NM to open a network conne

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-11-09 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
t 3:55 PM Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list <networkmanager-list@gnome.org> wrote: I haven't given up in the hope that NM will make a better WiFi AP selection. From what you have told m

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-11-09 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
networkmanager-list <networkmanager-list@gnome.org> wrote: I haven't given up in the hope that NM will make a better WiFi AP selection. From what you have told me, a "supplicant", requests the

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-11-09 Thread Bill Riemers via networkmanager-list
ist@gnome.org> wrote: > I haven't given up in the hope that NM will make a better WiFi AP > selection. > > From what you have told me, a "supplicant", requests the NM to open a > network connection. The NM manager then selects something from the various > WiFi

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-11-09 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
I haven't given up in the hope that NM will make a better WiFi AP selection. From what you have told me, a "supplicant", requests the NM to open a network connection. The NM manager then selects something from the various WiFi APs or wired connections

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-30 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
So this is what I find very odd about WiFi quality and bars for WiFi: Microsoft

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-30 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
After more research I'd suggest the following metric to be used for channel selection: /*     Calculate a 'utility' metric based on signal strength and real world data rate.     The balance between the two characteristics can be deba

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-26 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
The definition of a Bel (named after Alexander Graham Bell) is just the logarithm (base 10) of a number https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel. A decibel is just ten times that. The purpose of taking the logarithm is to enable a simple representation of widel

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-26 Thread Thomas Haller via networkmanager-list
On Fri, 2019-10-25 at 14:48 -0700, Clive McCarthy wrote: > I think the data rate reported is the maximum data rate that the > channel can support. It isn't a measure of the possible throughput > which would take into account noise (noise being "anything other than > the desired signal", which was w

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-25 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
Dan, I ran a simple script to see how mncli stacks up with iwlist. I need to do some formatting and putting the data in order to make my full case. First, at a cursory review the dBm is available from the radio. Secondly the quality of the connection is expressed

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-25 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
I think the data rate reported is the maximum data rate that the channel can support. It isn't a measure of the possible throughput which would take into account noise (noise being "anything other than the desired signal", which was what I was taug

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-25 Thread Dan Williams via networkmanager-list
On Fri, 2019-10-25 at 11:17 -0700, Clive McCarthy wrote: > I've done a quick survey around the building and NM is always > selecting the highest data rate AP despite stronger signals from > other APs. This happens even when the data rate difference is > relatively small. Again, it's actually the s

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-25 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
Just to be clear, 10dB is a power ratio of 10:1 but the percent reported by NM is just 90:55 = 1.6:1 which makes the choice really bad. Clive. sent from my i7-7700HQ running Linux 4.15.0 On 10/25/19 11:17 AM, Clive McCarthy wrote:

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-25 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
I've done a quick survey around the building and NM is always selecting the highest data rate AP despite stronger signals from other APs. This happens even when the data rate difference is relatively small. As an example: signal

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-24 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
Here is scan at the front of our building. As you can see there are a large number of APs in the neighborhood. Mine all have an SSID = Clive. The one picked by the NM isn't likely the best connection since three other APs are on the same 5GHz channel and they all hav

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-23 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
Thomas, I've been using nmcli and it is useful, however, {here it comes} I have a critique: The signal strength is in % not dBm but percent of what? Stick to the engineering term of dBm which is the correct term for signal strength. Do the

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-23 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
That is very helpful. I have been using WiFi analyzer on my Android phone because I didn't know a good way to get the data on my laptop. On 10/23/19 12:41 AM, Thomas Haller wrote: On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 15:02 -0700, Clive McCarthy via

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-23 Thread Thomas Haller via networkmanager-list
On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 15:02 -0700, Clive McCarthy via networkmanager- list wrote: > You know, I wish that the Network Manager would report the signal > strength in dBm instead of the silly sector icon. But that is for > another day. nmcli -f SIGNAL,BSSID,SSID device wifi nmcli -f ALL device wifi

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-22 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
No wonder the thing doesn't work: A supplicant can be a fervently religious person who prays to God for help with a problem. Praying to god has never worked for me. On 10/22/19 7:49 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 15:00 -0700, Clive

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-22 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
Thank you Dan. You know, I suspect that "wpa_supplicant" is some kind of deep Catholic conspiracy {no, not really}. I have never heard the word supplicant in a software context before. When I open up my computer, having changed location, the NM

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-22 Thread Dan Williams via networkmanager-list
On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 15:00 -0700, Clive McCarthy wrote: > The only odd thing I see is: current_signal=-54 current_noise= What I think is happening is a wpa_supplicant bug with roaming and "reassociate" handling. For some reason the supplicant sets a reassociate flag when a given WiFi network

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-22 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
Oh, dear. The dump is 400k and needs moderator approval. I shall chop off the first half and resend it. On 10/22/19 2:24 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 13:37 -0700, Clive McCarthy wrote: I rand the commands you

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-22 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
You know, I wish that the Network Manager would report the signal strength in dBm instead of the silly sector icon. But that is for another day. On 10/22/19 2:24 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 13:37 -0700, Clive McCart

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-22 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
The only odd thing I see is: current_signal=-54 current_noise= On 10/22/19 2:24 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 13:37 -0700, Clive McCarthy wrote: I rand the commands you suggested but the response doesn

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-22 Thread Dan Williams via networkmanager-list
On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 13:37 -0700, Clive McCarthy wrote: > I rand the commands you suggested but the response doesn't look like > a log dump. I guess they just enable logging. > > method return time=1571775394.161873 sender=:1.8 -> > destination=:1.507 serial=32493 reply_serial=2 > method return t

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-22 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
I rand the commands you suggested but the response doesn't look like a log dump. I guess they just enable logging. method return time=1571775394.161873 sender=:1.8 -> destination=:1.507 serial=32493 reply_serial=2 method return time=

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-22 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
I will get those. On 10/22/19 12:16 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 11:17 -0700, Clive McCarthy wrote: Thanks for your reply. My laptop, when first opened, reports (via the Network Manage, I suppose) that it is disconne

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-22 Thread Dan Williams via networkmanager-list
On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 11:17 -0700, Clive McCarthy wrote: > Thanks for your reply. > My laptop, when first opened, reports (via the Network Manage, I > suppose) that it is disconnected from the network. After a second or > two it reports being connected. And it is. However, as I noted, the > manager

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-22 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
Thanks for your reply. My laptop, when first opened, reports (via the Network Manage, I suppose) that it is disconnected from the network. After a second or two it reports being connected. And it is. However, as I noted, the manager seems to choose

Re: WiFi AP selection

2019-10-22 Thread Dan Williams via networkmanager-list
On Mon, 2019-10-21 at 20:42 -0700, Clive McCarthy via networkmanager- list wrote: > I have a situation where I have multiple APs in a building all with > the same SSID and WPA key but set to non-clashing frequencies. When I > close my laptop and WiFi shuts down and I move to a new location the > Ne

WiFi AP selection

2019-10-21 Thread Clive McCarthy via networkmanager-list
I have a situation where I have multiple APs in a building all with the same SSID and WPA key but set to non-clashing frequencies. When I close my laptop and WiFi shuts down and I move to a new location the Network Manager seems to connect to the original