Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread eric masterson
I would love to have a copy also. Thanks

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:34 PM, David Irons  wrote:

> Ted,
>
> I forwarded this directly to Jay.
>
> Dave Irons
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>
> Jay Withgott?
>
> You out there?
>
> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>
> Best, --TF
>
>
>
> ===
>
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>
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>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
> wrote:
>
>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>
>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>
>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>> world. How does such a person start?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Wim van Dam
>> Solvang, CA (USA)
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread eric masterson
I would love to have a copy also. Thanks

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:34 PM, David Irons  wrote:

> Ted,
>
> I forwarded this directly to Jay.
>
> Dave Irons
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>
> Jay Withgott?
>
> You out there?
>
> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>
> Best, --TF
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Ted Floyd
> Editor, *Birding* magazine
> Managing Editor, *North American Birds*
>
> Website: http://aba.org/birding
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
> 
> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
> wrote:
>
>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>
>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>
>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>> world. How does such a person start?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Wim van Dam
>> Solvang, CA (USA)
>>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread David Irons
Ted,

I forwarded this directly to Jay.

Dave Irons

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd > 
wrote:

Jay Withgott?

You out there?

Could you post a PDF of your fine article in Birding, gasp, 16 years ago? 
(Feels like yesterday.)

Best, --TF



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On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
> wrote:
So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
me: how do we know what we currently know?

Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?

Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
world. How does such a person start?

Thanks.

Wim van Dam
Solvang, CA (USA)

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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread David Irons
Ted,

I forwarded this directly to Jay.

Dave Irons

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd mailto:tfl...@aba.org>> 
wrote:

Jay Withgott?

You out there?

Could you post a PDF of your fine article in Birding, gasp, 16 years ago? 
(Feels like yesterday.)

Best, --TF



===

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On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
mailto:wim.van@gmail.com>> wrote:
So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
me: how do we know what we currently know?

Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?

Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
world. How does such a person start?

Thanks.

Wim van Dam
Solvang, CA (USA)

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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread Wim van Dam
Ted: what is the reference of the article you are referring to?

In the meantime I found this article, which addresses the question to
some extend:

"FLIGHT CALLS AND THEIR VALUE FOR FUTURE ORNITHOLOGICAL STUDIES AND
CONSERVATION RESEARCH", Andrew Farnsworth, The Auk 122(3):733-746.
2005

https://doi.org/10.1642/0004-8038(2005)122[0733:FCATVF]2.0.CO;2


Thanks
Wim van Dam
Solvang, CA, USA

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
> Jay Withgott?
>
> You out there?
>
> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in Birding, gasp, 16 years ago?
> (Feels like yesterday.)
>
> Best, --TF
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Ted Floyd
> Editor, Birding magazine
> Managing Editor, North American Birds
>
> Website: http://aba.org/birding
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam  wrote:
>>
>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>
>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>
>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>> world. How does such a person start?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Wim van Dam
>> Solvang, CA (USA)
>>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread Wim van Dam
Ted: what is the reference of the article you are referring to?

In the meantime I found this article, which addresses the question to
some extend:

"FLIGHT CALLS AND THEIR VALUE FOR FUTURE ORNITHOLOGICAL STUDIES AND
CONSERVATION RESEARCH", Andrew Farnsworth, The Auk 122(3):733-746.
2005

https://doi.org/10.1642/0004-8038(2005)122[0733:FCATVF]2.0.CO;2


Thanks
Wim van Dam
Solvang, CA, USA

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
> Jay Withgott?
>
> You out there?
>
> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in Birding, gasp, 16 years ago?
> (Feels like yesterday.)
>
> Best, --TF
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Ted Floyd
> Editor, Birding magazine
> Managing Editor, North American Birds
>
> Website: http://aba.org/birding
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam  wrote:
>>
>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>
>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>
>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>> world. How does such a person start?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Wim van Dam
>> Solvang, CA (USA)
>>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread Ted Floyd
Jay Withgott?

You out there?

Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years ago?
(Feels like yesterday.)

Best, --TF



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On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam  wrote:

> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>
> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>
> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
> world. How does such a person start?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Wim van Dam
> Solvang, CA (USA)
>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread Ted Floyd
Jay Withgott?

You out there?

Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years ago?
(Feels like yesterday.)

Best, --TF



===

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On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam  wrote:

> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>
> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>
> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
> world. How does such a person start?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Wim van Dam
> Solvang, CA (USA)
>
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