Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-02-01 Thread Wim van Dam
Thanks for sharing this Jay, that was a great read.

To me, an exciting current development is the application of modern machine
learning tools to get algorithms ("apps") for automatically classifying
NFCs. There is some great work on this from the BirdVox people at NYU +
Cornell; see: https://wp.nyu.edu/birdvox/

Hopefully the development and distribution of such software will encourage
more people to get into the NFCs business.

As a Californian I'm also interested in the current insights about the east
versus west difference in NFCs in the USA.

Wim van Dam
Solvang, CA

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Jay Withgott  wrote:

>
> Hi everyone — and thanks, Ted, for giving me an excuse to dredge up this
> oldie-but-goodie of an article, from the Dec. 2002 issue of Birding.
> Sixteen years ago, yeah, sheeesh — guess that makes us old-timers now, Ted.
>
> Attached is a PDF of the article, and also attached is a low-res copy of
> Julie Zickefoose’s wonderful BB Cuckoo art for the cover of that issue.
>
> Definitely takes me down memory lane.  I’d be interested to hear people’s
> thoughts on what has changed and what has stayed the same since this
> ancient 2002 status report!
>
> Jay Withgott
> Portland, OR
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>> Jay Withgott?
>>
>> You out there?
>>
>> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
>> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>>
>> Best, --TF
>> ===
>>
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>> Editor, *Birding* magazine
>> Managing Editor, *North American Birds*
>>
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>>
>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>>
>>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>>
>>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>>> world. How does such a person start?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Wim van Dam
>>> Solvang, CA (USA)
>>>
>>
>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-02-01 Thread Wim van Dam
Thanks for sharing this Jay, that was a great read.

To me, an exciting current development is the application of modern machine
learning tools to get algorithms ("apps") for automatically classifying
NFCs. There is some great work on this from the BirdVox people at NYU +
Cornell; see: https://wp.nyu.edu/birdvox/

Hopefully the development and distribution of such software will encourage
more people to get into the NFCs business.

As a Californian I'm also interested in the current insights about the east
versus west difference in NFCs in the USA.

Wim van Dam
Solvang, CA

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Jay Withgott  wrote:

>
> Hi everyone — and thanks, Ted, for giving me an excuse to dredge up this
> oldie-but-goodie of an article, from the Dec. 2002 issue of Birding.
> Sixteen years ago, yeah, sheeesh — guess that makes us old-timers now, Ted.
>
> Attached is a PDF of the article, and also attached is a low-res copy of
> Julie Zickefoose’s wonderful BB Cuckoo art for the cover of that issue.
>
> Definitely takes me down memory lane.  I’d be interested to hear people’s
> thoughts on what has changed and what has stayed the same since this
> ancient 2002 status report!
>
> Jay Withgott
> Portland, OR
>
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> On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>>
>> Jay Withgott?
>>
>> You out there?
>>
>> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
>> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>>
>> Best, --TF
>> ===
>>
>> Ted Floyd
>> Editor, *Birding* magazine
>> Managing Editor, *North American Birds*
>>
>> Website: http://aba.org/birding
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
>> 
>> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>>
>>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>>
>>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>>> world. How does such a person start?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Wim van Dam
>>> Solvang, CA (USA)
>>>
>>
>
>

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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-02-01 Thread Ted Floyd
Thanks, Dave!

Best, --TF

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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:34 PM, David Irons  wrote:

> Ted,
>
> I forwarded this directly to Jay.
>
> Dave Irons
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>
> Jay Withgott?
>
> You out there?
>
> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>
> Best, --TF
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Ted Floyd
> Editor, *Birding* magazine
> Managing Editor, *North American Birds*
>
> Website: http://aba.org/birding
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
> 
> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
> wrote:
>
>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>
>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>
>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>> world. How does such a person start?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Wim van Dam
>> Solvang, CA (USA)
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-02-01 Thread Ted Floyd
Thanks, Dave!

Best, --TF

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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:34 PM, David Irons  wrote:

> Ted,
>
> I forwarded this directly to Jay.
>
> Dave Irons
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>
> Jay Withgott?
>
> You out there?
>
> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>
> Best, --TF
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Ted Floyd
> Editor, *Birding* magazine
> Managing Editor, *North American Birds*
>
> Website: http://aba.org/birding
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
> 
> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
> wrote:
>
>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>
>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>
>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>> world. How does such a person start?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Wim van Dam
>> Solvang, CA (USA)
>>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-02-01 Thread Ted Floyd
"Night Voices Revealed: A New Guide to Flight Calls Sheds Light on
Nocturnal Migration," *Birding*, December 2002, pp. 546-553, by Jay
Withgott.

To anticipate your next question... :-)
Sorry, but this is from before the era that we were posting PDFs online.

Ted Floyd
Lafayette, eastern Boulder County, Colorado, USA

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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Wim van Dam  wrote:

> Ted: what is the reference of the article you are referring to?
>
> In the meantime I found this article, which addresses the question to
> some extend:
>
> "FLIGHT CALLS AND THEIR VALUE FOR FUTURE ORNITHOLOGICAL STUDIES AND
> CONSERVATION RESEARCH", Andrew Farnsworth, The Auk 122(3):733-746.
> 2005
>
> https://doi.org/10.1642/0004-8038(2005)122[0733:FCATVF]2.0.CO;2
>
>
> Thanks
> Wim van Dam
> Solvang, CA, USA
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
> > Jay Withgott?
> >
> > You out there?
> >
> > Could you post a PDF of your fine article in Birding, gasp, 16 years ago?
> > (Feels like yesterday.)
> >
> > Best, --TF
> >
> >
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Ted Floyd
> > Editor, Birding magazine
> > Managing Editor, North American Birds
> >
> > Website: http://aba.org/birding
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
> > The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
> >> me: how do we know what we currently know?
> >>
> >> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
> >> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
> >> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
> >> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
> >>
> >> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
> >> world. How does such a person start?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Wim van Dam
> >> Solvang, CA (USA)
> >>
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