Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-02-02 Thread Dominic Garcia-Hall
Thanks for sharing the paper Jay. I have one of Bill’s mics so it was v
interesting reading that.
By way of comparison, I moved from the States to Europe last Fall, and have
been resuming my NFC recording on this side of the pond. We are certainly
still behind on NFC knowledge over here, and for a many species still in
the phase of comparing to diurnal calls (well, I am anyway). But it’s
changing fast and there is some interesting work being done -  in
particularly the UK based Sound Approach who are publishing a lot of stuff:
https://soundapproach.co.uk/category/night-flight-calls/
I also have been recording a bit when I go back to visit family in
Argentina. But this is ground zero. I can ID about 1% of a typical night’s
calls ;)  But it has given me a lot of respect for the folks who pioneered
this back in the day.

Cheers
Dom
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On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 at 05:24, Wim van Dam  wrote:

> Thanks for sharing this Jay, that was a great read.
>
> To me, an exciting current development is the application of modern
> machine learning tools to get algorithms ("apps") for automatically
> classifying NFCs. There is some great work on this from the BirdVox people
> at NYU + Cornell; see: https://wp.nyu.edu/birdvox/
>
> Hopefully the development and distribution of such software will encourage
> more people to get into the NFCs business.
>
> As a Californian I'm also interested in the current insights about the
> east versus west difference in NFCs in the USA.
>
> Wim van Dam
> Solvang, CA
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Jay Withgott  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone — and thanks, Ted, for giving me an excuse to dredge up this
>> oldie-but-goodie of an article, from the Dec. 2002 issue of Birding.
>> Sixteen years ago, yeah, sheeesh — guess that makes us old-timers now, Ted.
>>
>> Attached is a PDF of the article, and also attached is a low-res copy of
>> Julie Zickefoose’s wonderful BB Cuckoo art for the cover of that issue.
>>
>> Definitely takes me down memory lane.  I’d be interested to hear people’s
>> thoughts on what has changed and what has stayed the same since this
>> ancient 2002 status report!
>>
>> Jay Withgott
>> Portland, OR
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>>> Jay Withgott?
>>>
>>> You out there?
>>>
>>> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
>>> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>>>
>>> Best, --TF
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Ted Floyd
>>> Editor, *Birding* magazine
>>> Managing Editor, *North American Birds*
>>>
>>> Website: http://aba.org/birding
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
>>> 
>>> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
 me: how do we know what we currently know?

 Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
 can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
 daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
 calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?

 Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
 world. How does such a person start?

 Thanks.

 Wim van Dam
 Solvang, CA (USA)

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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-02-01 Thread Wim van Dam
Thanks for sharing this Jay, that was a great read.

To me, an exciting current development is the application of modern machine
learning tools to get algorithms ("apps") for automatically classifying
NFCs. There is some great work on this from the BirdVox people at NYU +
Cornell; see: https://wp.nyu.edu/birdvox/

Hopefully the development and distribution of such software will encourage
more people to get into the NFCs business.

As a Californian I'm also interested in the current insights about the east
versus west difference in NFCs in the USA.

Wim van Dam
Solvang, CA

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Jay Withgott  wrote:

>
> Hi everyone — and thanks, Ted, for giving me an excuse to dredge up this
> oldie-but-goodie of an article, from the Dec. 2002 issue of Birding.
> Sixteen years ago, yeah, sheeesh — guess that makes us old-timers now, Ted.
>
> Attached is a PDF of the article, and also attached is a low-res copy of
> Julie Zickefoose’s wonderful BB Cuckoo art for the cover of that issue.
>
> Definitely takes me down memory lane.  I’d be interested to hear people’s
> thoughts on what has changed and what has stayed the same since this
> ancient 2002 status report!
>
> Jay Withgott
> Portland, OR
>
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> On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>>
>> Jay Withgott?
>>
>> You out there?
>>
>> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
>> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>>
>> Best, --TF
>> ===
>>
>> Ted Floyd
>> Editor, *Birding* magazine
>> Managing Editor, *North American Birds*
>>
>> Website: http://aba.org/birding
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
>> 
>> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>>
>>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>>
>>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>>> world. How does such a person start?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Wim van Dam
>>> Solvang, CA (USA)
>>>
>>
>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-02-01 Thread Wim van Dam
Thanks for sharing this Jay, that was a great read.

To me, an exciting current development is the application of modern machine
learning tools to get algorithms ("apps") for automatically classifying
NFCs. There is some great work on this from the BirdVox people at NYU +
Cornell; see: https://wp.nyu.edu/birdvox/

Hopefully the development and distribution of such software will encourage
more people to get into the NFCs business.

As a Californian I'm also interested in the current insights about the east
versus west difference in NFCs in the USA.

Wim van Dam
Solvang, CA

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Jay Withgott  wrote:

>
> Hi everyone — and thanks, Ted, for giving me an excuse to dredge up this
> oldie-but-goodie of an article, from the Dec. 2002 issue of Birding.
> Sixteen years ago, yeah, sheeesh — guess that makes us old-timers now, Ted.
>
> Attached is a PDF of the article, and also attached is a low-res copy of
> Julie Zickefoose’s wonderful BB Cuckoo art for the cover of that issue.
>
> Definitely takes me down memory lane.  I’d be interested to hear people’s
> thoughts on what has changed and what has stayed the same since this
> ancient 2002 status report!
>
> Jay Withgott
> Portland, OR
>
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> On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>>
>> Jay Withgott?
>>
>> You out there?
>>
>> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
>> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>>
>> Best, --TF
>> ===
>>
>> Ted Floyd
>> Editor, *Birding* magazine
>> Managing Editor, *North American Birds*
>>
>> Website: http://aba.org/birding
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
>> 
>> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>>
>>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>>
>>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>>> world. How does such a person start?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Wim van Dam
>>> Solvang, CA (USA)
>>>
>>
>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-02-01 Thread Ted Floyd
Thanks, Dave!

Best, --TF

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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:34 PM, David Irons  wrote:

> Ted,
>
> I forwarded this directly to Jay.
>
> Dave Irons
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>
> Jay Withgott?
>
> You out there?
>
> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>
> Best, --TF
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Ted Floyd
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> Managing Editor, *North American Birds*
>
> Website: http://aba.org/birding
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
> 
> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
> wrote:
>
>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>
>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>
>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>> world. How does such a person start?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Wim van Dam
>> Solvang, CA (USA)
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-02-01 Thread Ted Floyd
Thanks, Dave!

Best, --TF

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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:34 PM, David Irons  wrote:

> Ted,
>
> I forwarded this directly to Jay.
>
> Dave Irons
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>
> Jay Withgott?
>
> You out there?
>
> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>
> Best, --TF
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Ted Floyd
> Editor, *Birding* magazine
> Managing Editor, *North American Birds*
>
> Website: http://aba.org/birding
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
> 
> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
> wrote:
>
>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>
>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>
>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>> world. How does such a person start?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Wim van Dam
>> Solvang, CA (USA)
>>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-02-01 Thread Ted Floyd
"Night Voices Revealed: A New Guide to Flight Calls Sheds Light on
Nocturnal Migration," *Birding*, December 2002, pp. 546-553, by Jay
Withgott.

To anticipate your next question... :-)
Sorry, but this is from before the era that we were posting PDFs online.

Ted Floyd
Lafayette, eastern Boulder County, Colorado, USA

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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Wim van Dam  wrote:

> Ted: what is the reference of the article you are referring to?
>
> In the meantime I found this article, which addresses the question to
> some extend:
>
> "FLIGHT CALLS AND THEIR VALUE FOR FUTURE ORNITHOLOGICAL STUDIES AND
> CONSERVATION RESEARCH", Andrew Farnsworth, The Auk 122(3):733-746.
> 2005
>
> https://doi.org/10.1642/0004-8038(2005)122[0733:FCATVF]2.0.CO;2
>
>
> Thanks
> Wim van Dam
> Solvang, CA, USA
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
> > Jay Withgott?
> >
> > You out there?
> >
> > Could you post a PDF of your fine article in Birding, gasp, 16 years ago?
> > (Feels like yesterday.)
> >
> > Best, --TF
> >
> >
> >
> > ===
> >
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> > Editor, Birding magazine
> > Managing Editor, North American Birds
> >
> > Website: http://aba.org/birding
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
> > The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
> >> me: how do we know what we currently know?
> >>
> >> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
> >> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
> >> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
> >> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
> >>
> >> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
> >> world. How does such a person start?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Wim van Dam
> >> Solvang, CA (USA)
> >>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread eric masterson
I would love to have a copy also. Thanks

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:34 PM, David Irons  wrote:

> Ted,
>
> I forwarded this directly to Jay.
>
> Dave Irons
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>
> Jay Withgott?
>
> You out there?
>
> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>
> Best, --TF
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Ted Floyd
> Editor, *Birding* magazine
> Managing Editor, *North American Birds*
>
> Website: http://aba.org/birding
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
> 
> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
> wrote:
>
>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>
>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>
>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>> world. How does such a person start?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Wim van Dam
>> Solvang, CA (USA)
>>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread eric masterson
I would love to have a copy also. Thanks

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:34 PM, David Irons  wrote:

> Ted,
>
> I forwarded this directly to Jay.
>
> Dave Irons
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
>
> Jay Withgott?
>
> You out there?
>
> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years
> ago? (Feels like yesterday.)
>
> Best, --TF
>
>
>
> ===
>
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>
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>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
> wrote:
>
>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>
>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>
>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>> world. How does such a person start?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread David Irons
Ted,

I forwarded this directly to Jay.

Dave Irons

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd > 
wrote:

Jay Withgott?

You out there?

Could you post a PDF of your fine article in Birding, gasp, 16 years ago? 
(Feels like yesterday.)

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On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
> wrote:
So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
me: how do we know what we currently know?

Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?

Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread David Irons
Ted,

I forwarded this directly to Jay.

Dave Irons

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd mailto:tfl...@aba.org>> 
wrote:

Jay Withgott?

You out there?

Could you post a PDF of your fine article in Birding, gasp, 16 years ago? 
(Feels like yesterday.)

Best, --TF



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On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam 
mailto:wim.van@gmail.com>> wrote:
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me: how do we know what we currently know?

Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?

Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread Wim van Dam
Ted: what is the reference of the article you are referring to?

In the meantime I found this article, which addresses the question to
some extend:

"FLIGHT CALLS AND THEIR VALUE FOR FUTURE ORNITHOLOGICAL STUDIES AND
CONSERVATION RESEARCH", Andrew Farnsworth, The Auk 122(3):733-746.
2005

https://doi.org/10.1642/0004-8038(2005)122[0733:FCATVF]2.0.CO;2


Thanks
Wim van Dam
Solvang, CA, USA

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
> Jay Withgott?
>
> You out there?
>
> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in Birding, gasp, 16 years ago?
> (Feels like yesterday.)
>
> Best, --TF
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Ted Floyd
> Editor, Birding magazine
> Managing Editor, North American Birds
>
> Website: http://aba.org/birding
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam  wrote:
>>
>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>
>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>
>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>> world. How does such a person start?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Wim van Dam
>> Solvang, CA (USA)
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread Wim van Dam
Ted: what is the reference of the article you are referring to?

In the meantime I found this article, which addresses the question to
some extend:

"FLIGHT CALLS AND THEIR VALUE FOR FUTURE ORNITHOLOGICAL STUDIES AND
CONSERVATION RESEARCH", Andrew Farnsworth, The Auk 122(3):733-746.
2005

https://doi.org/10.1642/0004-8038(2005)122[0733:FCATVF]2.0.CO;2


Thanks
Wim van Dam
Solvang, CA, USA

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Ted Floyd  wrote:
> Jay Withgott?
>
> You out there?
>
> Could you post a PDF of your fine article in Birding, gasp, 16 years ago?
> (Feels like yesterday.)
>
> Best, --TF
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Ted Floyd
> Editor, Birding magazine
> Managing Editor, North American Birds
>
> Website: http://aba.org/birding
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/BirdingMagazine
> The ABA Blog: http://blog.aba.org/
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam  wrote:
>>
>> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
>> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>>
>> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
>> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
>> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
>> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>>
>> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
>> world. How does such a person start?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Wim van Dam
>> Solvang, CA (USA)
>>
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread Ted Floyd
Jay Withgott?

You out there?

Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years ago?
(Feels like yesterday.)

Best, --TF



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On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam  wrote:

> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>
> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>
> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
> world. How does such a person start?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Wim van Dam
> Solvang, CA (USA)
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Re: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-31 Thread Ted Floyd
Jay Withgott?

You out there?

Could you post a PDF of your fine article in *Birding*, gasp, 16 years ago?
(Feels like yesterday.)

Best, --TF



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On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Wim van Dam  wrote:

> So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
> me: how do we know what we currently know?
>
> Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
> can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
> daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
> calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?
>
> Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
> world. How does such a person start?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Wim van Dam
> Solvang, CA (USA)
>
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RE: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-30 Thread Gary Allport
Hi Wim

I am in an unexplored part of the world – Mozambique – doing NFC recording and 
indeed it is very hard.  Some birds do seem to make daytime type calls but I 
have dozens of calls which I just don’t have a clue.  I think most of them are 
herons, ibises and rallids – which have been on the move recently – but some I 
cant even place to family.  All the more difficult are the range of calls of 
bats, cats, dogs and the noises that seem to be man made to cloud the 
interpretations too.  I have shared a few calls but it is even harder for 
someone who doesn’t know the local avifauna to advise.  Something as simple as 
what would seem to be an obvious Moorhen could be Lesser Moorhen or indeed a 
bunch of little known other rallids.  Baiilon’s Crake has recently arrived in 
local wetlands in unprecedented numbers, for instance, a species that I would 
have previously excluded as almost impossible and makes a huge range of 
vocalisations (some that sound like a Moorhen!).

So it is tough and any guidance from the group would be most welcome.

Cheers

Gary Allport

Maputo, Mozambique



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[mailto:bounce-2448219-56897...@mm.list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Wim van Dam
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Subject: [nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
me: how do we know what we currently know?

Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?

Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
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Thanks.

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[nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-29 Thread Wim van Dam
So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
me: how do we know what we currently know?

Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?

Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
world. How does such a person start?

Thanks.

Wim van Dam
Solvang, CA (USA)

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[nfc-l] How do we know NFCs?

2018-01-29 Thread Wim van Dam
So as I'm starting to learn about NFCs the obvious question came to
me: how do we know what we currently know?

Do we typically infer ID features from daytime flight calls where we
can visually verify our IDs? Or are night calls too different from
daytime ones, meaning that we have/had to find other ways of matching
calls with birds (netting, night time visual observations, etc)?

Imagine somebody trying to get into NFCs in an unexplored part of the
world. How does such a person start?

Thanks.

Wim van Dam
Solvang, CA (USA)

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