Re: [Nix-dev] Can we please have text-only on this ML?
My issue with text-only is that I don't know how to turn off hard-wrapping in my client. By ‘hard-wrapping’ I mean: That's always something that bothered me about e-mail (among other things). There are only two formats that are widely supported, and none of them get it right. The text/plain format is too much 1980's terminal or perhaps 1900's typewriter to be useful as a standard electronic format, especially given our nowadays rich diversity in potential viewing devices. Certainly text/plain hurts on my small phone. There is an extension to turn wrapping off globally, but obviously that's just desparation rather than a solution. Also most MUAs interpret this as: Make the paragraphs of this message use the entire horizontal space. That works for phones, but typographically it's a bad idea for a MUA displayed on a large 16:9 display, unless you make the window smaller. On the other hand text/html is too much. It comes with huge implementation costs, even when you use ready-made libraries for parsing and rendering. It comes with an unnecessarily high potential for abuse. If you think about it, in e-mail it is really an extremely reduced variant of HTML to get rich text formatting and independence of the source text layout. These are features some of us (including me) would like, but without the complexity of HTML. So what we really need is something inbetween. I would request that: * it can easily be typed by hand even in very poor editors, but especially well in advanced editors like Emacs or Vim, * that it can be read without rendering, so that the barrier to writing a new MUA does not become much worse (it's horrible enough). * WYSIWYG editors for it are reasonably easy to write and would render to readable source text, * it allows us to be completely independent of source text layout except in parts where we specifically want it, * it is a standard format that all agree to interpret the same way. You may be thinking: Except for the last point that's just Markdown!. Indeed, a Markdown standard is currently in development as far as I'm informed. And I'm happy to adopt it as the standard format for email. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if some people already configured their MUAs to pass text/plain parts through Pandoc or something similar. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] Can we please have text-only on this ML?
benefits text: - minimal bandwidth - user can configure his/her client how to view - looks always the same - no js Thus why are discussing HTML at all - for making some texts *bold*? HTML also runs the risk to not be displayed the same everywhere - eg google mail rewrites inline styles (background images) - no idea what else gets rewritten in strange ways on strange email clients. Marc Weber ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] Can we please have text-only on this ML?
On 06/02/15 12:41, Matthias Beyer wrote: Hi, can we please have text-only on this ML? Maybe even through a mailman setting, so it rejects non-text-only-mail? My issue with text-only is that I don't know how to turn off hard-wrapping in my client. By ‘hard-wrapping’ I mean: this is hard- wrapped to 10 charact- ers, whereas: this is not hard-wrapped (yet...). When displaying email in Thunderbird or K-9 Mail, quoted text is neatly formatted with vertical bar indentation. If it is not hard-wrapped, then this indentation plays nicely with resizing the window, zooming, or changing between portrait and landscape orientation on my phone. Otherwise it is common to see broken hard-wrapping like this, which is a bit of an eye- saw. However, I always try to send as both plaintext and HTML multipart when using a client that gives me this option. I.e., in Thunderbird, I always try to remember to select ‘Plain and Rich (HTML) Text’ in the ‘Options’ → ‘Format’ menu. Best regards, James Haigh. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] Can we please have text-only on this ML?
On Fri, Feb 06, 2015 at 02:57:46PM +0100, Matthias Beyer wrote: I just notice that almost everything I read from this ML is html. You may have a problem in your mutt. Can it be? My mutt only shows the text/plain part, despite there is often also a test/html in the multipart. On 06-02-2015 14:31:03, Lluís Batlle i Rossell wrote: As long as there is a text/plain element in the multipart, all fine, isn't it? On Fri, Feb 06, 2015 at 01:41:25PM +0100, Matthias Beyer wrote: Hi, can we please have text-only on this ML? Maybe even through a mailman setting, so it rejects non-text-only-mail? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Kind regards, Matthias Beyer Proudly sent with mutt. Happily signed with gnupg. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev -- PGP key D4831A8A - https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/ -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Kind regards, Matthias Beyer Proudly sent with mutt. Happily signed with gnupg. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev -- PGP key D4831A8A - https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/ ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] Can we please have text-only on this ML?
I just notice that almost everything I read from this ML is html. On 06-02-2015 14:31:03, Lluís Batlle i Rossell wrote: As long as there is a text/plain element in the multipart, all fine, isn't it? On Fri, Feb 06, 2015 at 01:41:25PM +0100, Matthias Beyer wrote: Hi, can we please have text-only on this ML? Maybe even through a mailman setting, so it rejects non-text-only-mail? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Kind regards, Matthias Beyer Proudly sent with mutt. Happily signed with gnupg. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev -- PGP key D4831A8A - https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/ -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Kind regards, Matthias Beyer Proudly sent with mutt. Happily signed with gnupg. pgpnQLLunIXoB.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
[Nix-dev] Can we please have text-only on this ML?
Hi, can we please have text-only on this ML? Maybe even through a mailman setting, so it rejects non-text-only-mail? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Kind regards, Matthias Beyer Proudly sent with mutt. Happily signed with gnupg. pgpWc6CiRfstV.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
