On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:30:28 -0400, Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com wrote:
(..) Please, if you have a vision for what the nix projects could be
but aren't, share it. Otherwise it's highly unlikely that the nix you
want to be will come into existence.
I'd like it to be (not claiming that it isn't
forgot an important point:
I think it is more fruitful to think of the system between us
maintainers being anarchy, not democracy and therefore we should be
aware of and work with consensus.
For a nice description and one implementation of consensus, see:
I think it is more fruitful to think of the system between us
maintainers being anarchy, not democracy and therefore we should be
aware of and work with consensus.
For a nice description and one implementation of consensus, see:
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus
It does look that
Quoting Shea Levy (2012-06-26 16:26:02)
Hi all,
It seems apparent to me that many in the community have some level of
dissatisfaction with how contributions to the various nix projects are
handled. Sometimes the only solution to problems like this is a fork (as Peter
seems to believe), but I
On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Michael Raskin 7c6f4...@mail.ru wrote:
It looks like the main project will be conservative enough to be simple
to pull...
Are you basing this assessment only on the git situation over the last 6
days, or do you consider the project pre-git to be fairly
Hi folks,
Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com writes:
That's why I opened this thread, because we have people with different
values but no one is really coming out and saying this is what I
want, this is why what's here now is bad.
I am more or less a bystander and not really active, but this caught
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:32:33PM +0200, Petr Rockai wrote:
Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com writes:
That's why I opened this thread, because we have people with different
values but no one is really coming out and saying this is what I
want, this is why what's here now is bad.
I am more or
Hi Petr,
On Jun 27, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Petr Rockai m...@mornfall.net wrote:
Hi folks,
Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com writes:
That's why I opened this thread, because we have people with different
values but no one is really coming out and saying this is what I
want, this is why what's here
On Jun 27, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Lluís Batlle i Rossell vi...@viric.name wrote:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:32:33PM +0200, Petr Rockai wrote:
Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com writes:
That's why I opened this thread, because we have people with different
values but no one is really coming out and
On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Michael Raskin 7c6f4...@mail.ru wrote:
Well, it was just an example. My point was merely that it's not enough to
point out a problem, whenever possible you should point out solutions and
be willing to do the legwork necessary to implement them.
The real
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com wrote:
- On the level of Nix as a package manager, there is a way to roll back
everything but GC
What do you mean, exactly? You can roll back versions of nix, and if you
use build.nix in the nix source tree you can build each
Many webapps will need to specify that a database library is present, but
may not care which one.
Heh: if the web app is so careless to not specify which database to use,
there's no reason why other system components should care about a busted web
app.
The point is: sometimes it can use
Continuing with a Java theme: the Java Advanced Imaging interfaces have a
(default) pure java implementation as well as a native (accelerated)
implementation.
How should this be solved? Try find answers yourself. Its the same
problem M.R. talked about if buildfarm uses optimiziations your
On Jun 27, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Bryce L Nordgren wrote:
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From: Bryce L Nordgren bnordg...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nix-dev] Improving the Developer Experience in the Nix Community
To: 7c6f4...@mail.ru
On Wed
On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Michael Raskin 7c6f4...@mail.ru wrote:
- There is a reasonable public place where I can see every package
expression used by any committer. So, if someone uses a git-head version
of kernel, it would be nice to see what overrides were needed.
Do you mean some
On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Bryce L Nordgren bnordg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com wrote:
- On the level of Nix as a package manager, there is a way to roll back
everything but GC
What do you mean, exactly? You can roll back
Specifics aside (because they were just examples, sometimes poor ones), the
point here is that Nix can only express tightly coupled dependencies. Lack
of the ability to correctly express loosely coupled relationships causes
needless rebuilds. It really doesn't matter whether Java has achieved
On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Bryce L Nordgren bnordg...@gmail.com wrote:
Continuing with a Java theme: the Java Advanced Imaging interfaces have a
(default) pure java implementation as well as a native (accelerated)
implementation.
How should this be solved? Try find answers
Excerpts from Shea Levy's message of Thu Jun 28 00:38:16 +0200 2012:
Ok. Why was builderDefs rejected? What problems do you see with it, and what
do others see?
What does reject mean? I'd say it was not adopted (by me yet) because
the existing monolitic setup.sh works good enough - I have my
On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Marc Weber marco-owe...@gmx.de wrote:
Excerpts from Shea Levy's message of Thu Jun 28 00:38:16 +0200 2012:
Ok. Why was builderDefs rejected? What problems do you see with it, and what
do others see?
What does reject mean?
Eelco has said on a few occasions that
Excerpts from Shea Levy's message of Thu Jun 28 00:52:53 +0200 2012:
Eelco has said on a few occasions that new packages should not use
builderDefs, IIRC.
I guess the right thing to do is adding a comment then (?)
I missed it his advice :(
Marc Weber
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com wrote:
Well, to be honest I was more hoping for suggestions about how to
improve the developer community, policies, etc. rather than technical
improvements. But ideas for those are always good too, so please keep
discussing :)
On Jun 27, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Bryce L Nordgren bnordg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com wrote:
Well, to be honest I was more hoping for suggestions about how to improve the
developer community, policies, etc. rather than technical
Hi all,
It seems apparent to me that many in the community have some level of
dissatisfaction with how contributions to the various nix projects are handled.
Sometimes the only solution to problems like this is a fork (as Peter seems to
believe), but I think there is a good chance that things
:) I've been at that point (wanting to fork) in the past as well.
But I couldn't afford the costs. And I also don't think it will benefit
us all splitting the community. I tried to solve the most urgent issues
(patch submitting) by setting up gists and hope you all start using it
so that we can
For me, the two biggest issues I see are:
a) Lack of clear documentation of policy. The closest thing we have is
the nixpkgs manual, but it's not enough. As a newcomer to a project (and even
sometimes as a veteran), I want to be able to easily find answers to questions
like how should
On Jun 26, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Marc Weber marco-owe...@gmx.de wrote:
:) I've been at that point (wanting to fork) in the past as well.
But I couldn't afford the costs. And I also don't think it will benefit
us all splitting the community. I tried to solve the most urgent issues
(patch
Hi Michael,
On Jun 26, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Michael Raskin 7c6f4...@mail.ru wrote:
that things can be improved without fracturing the already-small group.
It looks like the main project will be conservative enough to be simple
to pull...
Are you basing this assessment only on the git
It looks like the main project will be conservative enough to be simple
to pull...
Are you basing this assessment only on the git situation over the last 6 days,
or do you consider the project pre-git to be fairly conservative?
This is based on the recent (couple years) history of the actual
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