Re: [Nix-dev] Shutting down prs.nix.gsc.io

2017-02-02 Thread Azul
Wished gmail would default to reply-all



On 2 Feb 2017 6:20 pm, "Thomas Hunger"  wrote:

You replied just to me :)

Hit reply-all if you want to cc the list as well.

On 2 February 2017 at 18:11, Azul  wrote:

> Very happy kimsufi user here.
>
> And with I saved from not using AWS i will put down on the nix foundation.
>
>
> On 2 Feb 2017 10:34 am, "Thomas Hunger"  wrote:
>
> Expensive data transfer out from EC2 is the reason I added digital ocean
> support to nixops. Our company fits into a few TB / month, but for more we
> could use e.g. kimsufi which has 100Mbit / second unmetered for £20-30 /
> month. Their servers also usually come with 2TB or more spinning disks
> which would be good for fitting build outputs.
>
> On 1 February 2017 at 12:38, Graham Christensen 
> wrote:
>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA256
>>
>>
>> Hey everyone, :)
>>
>> I am touched by your offers to contribute to help pay for it. I am so
>> thrilled to be part of a community that takes care of its own. It
>> reminds me of this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1TZaElTAs.
>>
>> However, please instead take your generosity and perhaps donate to the
>> NixOS Foundation: https://nixos.org/nixos/foundation.html or another
>> worthy cause (up to you to know what that means.)
>>
>> Here is exactly how much the experiment cost:
>>
>> Usage Type| Usage   |  Price| Total
>> 
>> S3 PUT Requests   | 2,066,983   | $0.005/1,000  | $ 10.33
>> S3 GET Requests   | 4,812,149   | $0.004/10,000 | $  1.92
>> S3 Timed Storage  |   603 GB-Mo | $0.023/GB-mo  | $ 13.87
>> Data Transfer In  | 1,907.028 GB| $0/GB | $  0.00
>> Data Transfer Out | 3,698.464 GB| $0.090/GB | $332.86
>> - -
>>   $358.98
>>
>> Thank you so much,
>> Graham Christensen
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Re: [Nix-dev] Shutting down prs.nix.gsc.io

2017-02-02 Thread Thomas Hunger
Expensive data transfer out from EC2 is the reason I added digital ocean
support to nixops. Our company fits into a few TB / month, but for more we
could use e.g. kimsufi which has 100Mbit / second unmetered for £20-30 /
month. Their servers also usually come with 2TB or more spinning disks
which would be good for fitting build outputs.

On 1 February 2017 at 12:38, Graham Christensen  wrote:

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> Hash: SHA256
>
>
> Hey everyone, :)
>
> I am touched by your offers to contribute to help pay for it. I am so
> thrilled to be part of a community that takes care of its own. It
> reminds me of this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1TZaElTAs.
>
> However, please instead take your generosity and perhaps donate to the
> NixOS Foundation: https://nixos.org/nixos/foundation.html or another
> worthy cause (up to you to know what that means.)
>
> Here is exactly how much the experiment cost:
>
> Usage Type| Usage   |  Price| Total
> 
> S3 PUT Requests   | 2,066,983   | $0.005/1,000  | $ 10.33
> S3 GET Requests   | 4,812,149   | $0.004/10,000 | $  1.92
> S3 Timed Storage  |   603 GB-Mo | $0.023/GB-mo  | $ 13.87
> Data Transfer In  | 1,907.028 GB| $0/GB | $  0.00
> Data Transfer Out | 3,698.464 GB| $0.090/GB | $332.86
> - -
>   $358.98
>
> Thank you so much,
> Graham Christensen
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Re: [Nix-dev] Shutting down prs.nix.gsc.io

2017-02-01 Thread Matthias Beyer
Hi,

On 01-02-2017 19:08:10, Graham Christensen wrote:
> 
> BTW they have EXTREMELY nice machines available for an hourly price. I
> highly recommend using them for future projects. They are also part of
> the Spotinst.com project, where you can rent their dedicated servers
> hourly at a spot bid, similar to AWS spot instances.
> 
> The Type2 has been migrated over to hydra.nixos.org already.
> 

Just a quick side note: From what I read, you set up NixOS on these 
machines to build the hydra infrastructure? If yes, please document 
the process (if not done already).

No need for a nice write-up, just dump in what you did. We can go on 
from there!

Thanks a lot for your effort!

-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Kind regards,
Matthias Beyer

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Re: [Nix-dev] Shutting down prs.nix.gsc.io

2017-02-01 Thread Graham Christensen
l...@abesis.fr writes:

> I wonder how many resources you have used.
>
> 600GB of storage and 3TB of upload for 2weeks. Is it right?
> And how many vcpus, and rams did you use/need?
>
> Antoine.

The build servers were sponsored by Packet.net, so we didn't pay for it.
However, here is what it would have cost:

 RAM  | Cores | Type   | Count | Price| Hourly Cost | T.RAM | T.Cores
=
  8GB | 4 | Type 0 |14 | $0.05/hr | $0.70/hr| 112GB | 56
 32GB | 4 | Type 1 |16 | $0.40/hr | $6.40/hr| 512GB | 64
256GB | 24| Type 2 | 1 | $1.25/hr | $1.25/hr| 256GB | 24
-
31  $8.35/hr| 880GB | 144

Note these cores are all _physical_ cores. The Type1 and Type2 have
HyperThreading, so we get:

   4 * 14 * 1 =   56 (4 cores over 14 machines without hyperthreading)
+  4 * 16 * 2 =  128 (4 cores over 16 machines with hyperthreading)
+ 24 *  1 * 2 =   48 (24 cores over 1 machine with hyperthreading)
--
  =  232 cores

BTW they have EXTREMELY nice machines available for an hourly price. I
highly recommend using them for future projects. They are also part of
the Spotinst.com project, where you can rent their dedicated servers
hourly at a spot bid, similar to AWS spot instances.

The Type2 has been migrated over to hydra.nixos.org already.

Best,
Graham
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Re: [Nix-dev] Shutting down prs.nix.gsc.io

2017-02-01 Thread lewo
I wonder how many resources you have used.

600GB of storage and 3TB of upload for 2weeks. Is it right?
And how many vcpus, and rams did you use/need?

Antoine.

Graham Christensen  writes:

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> Hash: SHA256
>
>
> Hey everyone, :)
>
> I am touched by your offers to contribute to help pay for it. I am so
> thrilled to be part of a community that takes care of its own. It
> reminds me of this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1TZaElTAs.
>
> However, please instead take your generosity and perhaps donate to the
> NixOS Foundation: https://nixos.org/nixos/foundation.html or another
> worthy cause (up to you to know what that means.)
>
> Here is exactly how much the experiment cost:
>
> Usage Type| Usage   |  Price| Total
> 
> S3 PUT Requests   | 2,066,983   | $0.005/1,000  | $ 10.33
> S3 GET Requests   | 4,812,149   | $0.004/10,000 | $  1.92
> S3 Timed Storage  |   603 GB-Mo | $0.023/GB-mo  | $ 13.87
> Data Transfer In  | 1,907.028 GB| $0/GB | $  0.00
> Data Transfer Out | 3,698.464 GB| $0.090/GB | $332.86
> - -
>   $358.98
>
> Thank you so much,
> Graham Christensen
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Re: [Nix-dev] Shutting down prs.nix.gsc.io

2017-02-01 Thread Graham Christensen
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Hey everyone, :)

I am touched by your offers to contribute to help pay for it. I am so
thrilled to be part of a community that takes care of its own. It
reminds me of this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1TZaElTAs.

However, please instead take your generosity and perhaps donate to the
NixOS Foundation: https://nixos.org/nixos/foundation.html or another
worthy cause (up to you to know what that means.)

Here is exactly how much the experiment cost:

Usage Type| Usage   |  Price| Total

S3 PUT Requests   | 2,066,983   | $0.005/1,000  | $ 10.33
S3 GET Requests   | 4,812,149   | $0.004/10,000 | $  1.92
S3 Timed Storage  |   603 GB-Mo | $0.023/GB-mo  | $ 13.87
Data Transfer In  | 1,907.028 GB| $0/GB | $  0.00
Data Transfer Out | 3,698.464 GB| $0.090/GB | $332.86
- -
  $358.98

Thank you so much,
Graham Christensen
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Re: [Nix-dev] Shutting down prs.nix.gsc.io

2017-02-01 Thread Domen Kožar
+1, let us know how this experiment cost, we all benefit from it.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Oliver Charles 
wrote:

> If you would like any help covering this bill, I'd be happy to contribute.
> You're doing amazing work and there's no reason you should be out of money
> for this. In an alternative reality people get paid to write code, you
> know! ;)
>
> On Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 8:23 am zimbatm,  wrote:
>
>> Ouch. How much is "very very"? Try to talk to the Amazon support, they
>> might help you with the bill. Happy to chip in as well.
>>
>> As for the reason, it's probably because the machines are hosted outside
>> of AWS and constantly pulling from S3. Amazon has outrageous egress
>> pricing. You will probably be better off setting up a S3-compatible storage
>> like ceph.
>>
>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 20:11 Graham Christensen, 
>> wrote:
>>
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>>
>>
>> Well, it has been a good run. Having the space to experiment and try a
>> few things was very good. As of a few minutes ago, I have removed all
>> the nodes from the hydra master.
>>
>> WHY? I got my Amazon S3 bill, and it was very, very expensive, even for
>> half a month.
>>
>> WHAT IS NEXT? I'm working with Eelco to move the GitHub pull request
>> triggering and the amazingly capable build machines in to
>> hydra.nixos.org.
>>
>> Sorry for the short notice! I hope we have the PR building system
>> transfered over very soon.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Graham Christensen
>>
>>
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Re: [Nix-dev] Shutting down prs.nix.gsc.io

2017-02-01 Thread Oliver Charles
If you would like any help covering this bill, I'd be happy to contribute.
You're doing amazing work and there's no reason you should be out of money
for this. In an alternative reality people get paid to write code, you
know! ;)

On Wed, 1 Feb 2017, 8:23 am zimbatm,  wrote:

> Ouch. How much is "very very"? Try to talk to the Amazon support, they
> might help you with the bill. Happy to chip in as well.
>
> As for the reason, it's probably because the machines are hosted outside
> of AWS and constantly pulling from S3. Amazon has outrageous egress
> pricing. You will probably be better off setting up a S3-compatible storage
> like ceph.
>
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 20:11 Graham Christensen,  wrote:
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA256
>
>
> Well, it has been a good run. Having the space to experiment and try a
> few things was very good. As of a few minutes ago, I have removed all
> the nodes from the hydra master.
>
> WHY? I got my Amazon S3 bill, and it was very, very expensive, even for
> half a month.
>
> WHAT IS NEXT? I'm working with Eelco to move the GitHub pull request
> triggering and the amazingly capable build machines in to
> hydra.nixos.org.
>
> Sorry for the short notice! I hope we have the PR building system
> transfered over very soon.
>
> Thank you,
> Graham Christensen
>
>
>
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Re: [Nix-dev] Shutting down prs.nix.gsc.io

2017-02-01 Thread zimbatm
Ouch. How much is "very very"? Try to talk to the Amazon support, they
might help you with the bill. Happy to chip in as well.

As for the reason, it's probably because the machines are hosted outside of
AWS and constantly pulling from S3. Amazon has outrageous egress pricing.
You will probably be better off setting up a S3-compatible storage like
ceph.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, 20:11 Graham Christensen,  wrote:

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> Well, it has been a good run. Having the space to experiment and try a
> few things was very good. As of a few minutes ago, I have removed all
> the nodes from the hydra master.
>
> WHY? I got my Amazon S3 bill, and it was very, very expensive, even for
> half a month.
>
> WHAT IS NEXT? I'm working with Eelco to move the GitHub pull request
> triggering and the amazingly capable build machines in to
> hydra.nixos.org.
>
> Sorry for the short notice! I hope we have the PR building system
> transfered over very soon.
>
> Thank you,
> Graham Christensen
>
>
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[Nix-dev] Shutting down prs.nix.gsc.io

2017-01-31 Thread Graham Christensen
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Well, it has been a good run. Having the space to experiment and try a
few things was very good. As of a few minutes ago, I have removed all
the nodes from the hydra master.

WHY? I got my Amazon S3 bill, and it was very, very expensive, even for
half a month.

WHAT IS NEXT? I'm working with Eelco to move the GitHub pull request
triggering and the amazingly capable build machines in to
hydra.nixos.org.

Sorry for the short notice! I hope we have the PR building system
transfered over very soon.

Thank you,
Graham Christensen



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