Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-14 Thread Jack Coats
I do have the obligatory story of dropping someone elses set of cards and almost losing my job. Another was I put someones job card on the top of a box of cards that looked like their program and 'dropped it accidentally' ... Cards flew 20' in every direction. I almost got throttled for that! (an

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-14 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)
I'm still kinda surprised that silly power users or things don't insert something like that into the code of their GCC when they bootstrap their compilers, just to freak people out. ;) I'd like to hear more stories about working with IBM 370s and S/390s, and more than the standard story of droppin

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-13 Thread Curt Lundgren
Ah, the elusive DWIM… On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Jack Coats wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Paul Boniol > wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Howard White wrote: >> >>> On 06/12/2014 02:24 PM, Wesley Duffee-Braun wrote: >>> "we ever develop software that can fu

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-13 Thread Jack Coats
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Paul Boniol wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Howard White wrote: > >> On 06/12/2014 02:24 PM, Wesley Duffee-Braun wrote: >> >>> "we ever develop software that can further refine its own programming" >>> >>> sounds like a compiler. >>> >>> >> Not like the

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-13 Thread Paul Boniol
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Howard White wrote: > On 06/12/2014 02:24 PM, Wesley Duffee-Braun wrote: > >> "we ever develop software that can further refine its own programming" >> >> sounds like a compiler. >> >> > Not like the IBM 370 COBOL compiler I once worked on: > > "Probable user erro

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-12 Thread Howard White
On 06/12/2014 02:24 PM, Wesley Duffee-Braun wrote: "we ever develop software that can further refine its own programming" sounds like a compiler. Not like the IBM 370 COBOL compiler I once worked on: "Probable user error, correct and re-submit" -- thanks a lot. Howard -- -- You received

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-12 Thread Wesley Duffee-Braun
"we ever develop software that can further refine its own programming" sounds like a compiler. On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:22 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > However, if we ever develop software that can further refine its own > programming, and particularly if there is an environment where numero

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-12 Thread John F. Eldredge
However, if we ever develop software that can further refine its own programming, and particularly if there is an environment where numerous such programs compete against each other (so that survival of the fittest comes into play), we could potentially end up with hyperintelligent programs, if

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-12 Thread Nathanael Ries
It is natural for the human mind to rationalize to itself why it is more complex than anything else in the universe, but that is simply hubris. Anyone see how HP is close to bring able to mass produce memristors? This will not only be beneficial for databases, but also more closely resembles how b

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-12 Thread Howard White
On 06/12/2014 01:56 PM, Nathanael Ries wrote: We don't have to be smarter than ourselves to create something smarter than ourselves. Quarks don't need to be smart to make hydrogen atoms, and hydrogen atoms don't need to be smart to make stars which create the elements. Those elements don't need t

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-12 Thread Chris McQuistion
The human mind is infinitely more complex than anything you just mentioned. Chemical reactions and physics are dramatically simpler than the imaginative, creative complexity that is the human mind. Chris On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Nathanael Ries wrote: > We don't have to be smarter than

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-12 Thread Nathanael Ries
We don't have to be smarter than ourselves to create something smarter than ourselves. Quarks don't need to be smart to make hydrogen atoms, and hydrogen atoms don't need to be smart to make stars which create the elements. Those elements don't need to be smart to make organic molecules and so on a

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-12 Thread Chris McQuistion
I don't think we're intelligent enough to invent something more intelligent than ourselves. I do believe we're intelligent to invent something that *mimics* some of the things that the human mind can do, but it is just mimicking and it will never be able to do everything our mind can do because ev

RE: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-11 Thread Pope jonnyX
Keep an eye on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Brain_Project ...still not sure how I feel about the prospect of real human-level (or more) AI. ~~jonnyX -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-09 Thread Curt Lundgren
at least with a child’s mentality. Cool stuff in any > event. > > > > *From:* nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-talk@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Curt Lundgren > *Sent:* Sunday, June 08, 2014 5:39 PM > *To:* NLUG > *Subject:* [nlug] How long until the Singular

RE: [nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-08 Thread Mark J. Bailey
off as a child, or at least with a child’s mentality. Cool stuff in any event. From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Curt Lundgren Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 5:39 PM To: NLUG Subject: [nlug] How long until the Singularity? Computer becomes the

[nlug] How long until the Singularity?

2014-06-08 Thread Curt Lundgren
Computer becomes the first to pass the Turing Test: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/computer-becomes-first-to-pass-turing-test-in-artificial-intelligence-milestone-but-academics-warn-of-dangerous-future-9508370.html -- -- You received this message because you are subscr