Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-28 Thread Mike O'Dell
i have a hazy memory of MH development starting on V5 as part of an Office Automation project for the USAF, concurrent with "ze Bland Editor", er, the Rand Editor. amusing aside: George Goble, the Art Arfons of Unix on Minicomputers, loved the rand editor and he was obsessed with seeing how fast

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-27 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:01:12 -0600 From:Neil W Rickert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The notation "+folder" for identifying a mail folder goes back at | least to ucbmail (/usr/ucb/Mail or /usr/ucb/mail or emulated by | mailx). I wouldn

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-27 Thread Dan Harkless
On February 27, 2007, Norman Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would also argue that the +folderName syntax for designating a file name is > strange and unique to mh. If, at the time is was first conceived (by Bruce > Borden) I had thought it through and had I realized that decades later p

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-27 Thread Neil W Rickert
Norman Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Feb 27, 2007: >I would also argue that the +folderName syntax for designating a file name is >strange and unique to mh. The notation "+folder" for identifying a mail folder goes back at least to ucbmail (/usr/ucb/Mail or /usr/ucb/mail or emulated by ma

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-27 Thread Norman Shapiro
Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Norm sayeth: >> >NO. I'm not quite happy with that, in that I would prefer that >> > >> >+ foobar >> > >> >mean the same thing as +foobar. That way wild card expansion in shell script >> s >> >and file name completion in interactive shells would be mu

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-26 Thread Joel Reicher
> Norm sayeth: > >NO. I'm not quite happy with that, in that I would prefer that > > > >+ foobar > > > >mean the same thing as +foobar. That way wild card expansion in shell script > s > >and file name completion in interactive shells would be much easier. > > No, MH semantics shuold be isolat

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-26 Thread Harald Geyer
> > I still think that numeric folder names rise questions: Consider the > > above example. cur = inbox/11100. What should "refile next:22 +foo" do? > > Move the numeric folder? Leave a copy with the name ",1" around? > > (Note that you can't have hardlinks to directories on the filesystems > >

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-26 Thread Joel Reicher
> > > This is even a more general bug: Try "refile +inbox/1; scan +inbox" > > > for example. I think subfolders are a feature, numeric folder names > > > probably are not. (Allowing them would rise quite some questions > > > about the semantics of sequences and so on ...) > > > > The problem i

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-26 Thread Harald Geyer
> > This is even a more general bug: Try "refile +inbox/1; scan +inbox" > > for example. I think subfolders are a feature, numeric folder names > > probably are not. (Allowing them would rise quite some questions > > about the semantics of sequences and so on ...) > > The problem is not in the

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-26 Thread Jerrad Pierce
Quoth Joel: >If everyone's happy with "+" meaning the folder root and "@" meaning >the current folder and anything following being interpreted the same >as any pathspec would be then I'll clean up the code and try to get >around to making sure it's documented properly too. Yes, that sounds best to

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-26 Thread David Levine
Joel writes: > > Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >If everyone's happy with "+" meaning the folder root and "@" meaning > > >the current folder and anything following being interpreted the same > > >as any pathspec would be then I'll clean up the code and try to get > > >around to maki

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-26 Thread Joel Reicher
Sorry for the noise everyone. I repeated my previous error of replying directly to Norman again and it bounced. Below is just my earlier message. > > Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >If everyone's happy with "+" meaning the folder root and "@" meaning > > >the current folder and anyt

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-26 Thread Joel Reicher
> Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >If everyone's happy with "+" meaning the folder root and "@" meaning > >the current folder and anything following being interpreted the same > >as any pathspec would be then I'll clean up the code and try to get > >around to making sure it's documented

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-26 Thread Norman Shapiro
Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Date:Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:07:47 +1100 >> From:Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> | In fact, there looks to be a host of inconsistent behaviour. "+/" will >> | scan the root *directory*

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-26 Thread Joel Reicher
> Date:Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:07:47 +1100 > From:Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > | In fact, there looks to be a host of inconsistent behaviour. "+/" will > | scan the root *directory*. "+.." does *not* scan the directory above >

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-26 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:07:47 +1100 From:Joel Reicher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | In fact, there looks to be a host of inconsistent behaviour. "+/" will | scan the root *directory*. "+.." does *not* scan the directory above | the folder

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-25 Thread Dan Harkless
On February 25, 2007, Dan Harkless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On February 25, 2007, Harald Geyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I just realized that you can do "refile 1 +" and it works perfectly well, > > that is: It does the only consistent thing to do and puts the message > > dir

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-25 Thread Joel Reicher
> I just realized that you can do "refile 1 +" and it works perfectly well, > that is: It does the only consistent thing to do and puts the message > directly into ~/Mail That could very well be the most sensible behaviour. The semantics of the +folder syntax are an absolute folder path, meaning t

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-25 Thread Joel Reicher
> This is even a more general bug: Try "refile +inbox/1; scan +inbox" > for example. I think subfolders are a feature, numeric folder names > probably are not. (Allowing them would rise quite some questions > about the semantics of sequences and so on ...) The problem is not in the sequence, b

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-25 Thread Dan Harkless
On February 25, 2007, Harald Geyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > I just realized that you can do "refile 1 +" and it works perfectly well, > that is: It does the only consistent thing to do and puts the message > directly into ~/Mail Yeah, I've run across that one as well (via typo). Cau

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-25 Thread Harald Geyer
> >I just realized that you can do "refile 1 +" and it works perfectly well, > >that is: It does the only consistent thing to do and puts the message > >directly into ~/Mail > > That is surely a bug. Yes, I did expect an error message, but after thinking about it, I don't want nmh to prevent me f

Re: [Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-24 Thread Neil W Rickert
Harald Geyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Feb 25, 2007: >I just realized that you can do "refile 1 +" and it works perfectly well, >that is: It does the only consistent thing to do and puts the message >directly into ~/Mail That is surely a bug. >Actually it seems that most commands work fairly

[Nmh-workers] The invisible mail folder

2007-02-24 Thread Harald Geyer
Hi! I just realized that you can do "refile 1 +" and it works perfectly well, that is: It does the only consistent thing to do and puts the message directly into ~/Mail Actually it seems that most commands work fairly well on "+" but there is one anomaly: The current folder always gets set to "+i