Re: [Nmh-workers] Multiple Mailstore Support

2009-10-14 Thread Joel Reicher
"Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)" writes: > > I have spent a lot of time > > trying to understand what multistore semantics might mean. IMAP maps > > quite naturally to the native MH store, and MH itself naturally fits > > the IMAP offline client model. Could this be extended to encompass > > mo

Re: [Nmh-workers] mh modifies headers? (was Re: Multiple Mailstore Support )

2009-10-14 Thread Paul Fox
jon wrote: > > ve6bbm/ve7tfx wrote: > > > Another concern is meta-data. MH annotates messages by adding headers > > > to the message file. Messages in IMAP are immutable, so that won't > > > > i don't think i was aware of this. i don't recall MH ever modifying > > a message, and would h

Re: [Nmh-workers] mh modifies headers? (was Re: Multiple Mailstore Support )

2009-10-14 Thread Jon Steinhart
> ve6bbm/ve7tfx wrote: > > Another concern is meta-data. MH annotates messages by adding headers > > to the message file. Messages in IMAP are immutable, so that won't > > i don't think i was aware of this. i don't recall MH ever modifying > a message, and would have claimed that it doesn't d

Re: [Nmh-workers] mh modifies headers? (was Re: Multiple Mailstore

2009-10-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
> i don't think i was aware of this. i don't recall MH ever modifying > a message, and would have claimed that it doesn't do so. i assume > it's part of a feature i've never used? >From repl(1): If the -annotate switch is given, the message being replied-to will be annotated with

[Nmh-workers] mh modifies headers? (was Re: Multiple Mailstore Support )

2009-10-14 Thread Paul Fox
ve6bbm/ve7tfx wrote: > Another concern is meta-data. MH annotates messages by adding headers > to the message file. Messages in IMAP are immutable, so that won't i don't think i was aware of this. i don't recall MH ever modifying a message, and would have claimed that it doesn't do so. i ass

Re: [Nmh-workers] Multiple Mailstore Support

2009-10-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
> I have spent a lot of time > trying to understand what multistore semantics might mean. IMAP maps > quite naturally to the native MH store, and MH itself naturally fits > the IMAP offline client model. Could this be extended to encompass > more alien message stores, such as Exchange? I didn't

[Nmh-workers] Multiple Mailstore Support

2009-10-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
> I have no religious objection to a native IMAP > implementation; I would actually like that to happen. In a general sense it is worth investigating whether MH can be extended to use more than the traditional message store, without breaking its long-standing semantics. I have spent a lot of time

Re: [Nmh-workers] imap support, and portability

2009-10-14 Thread Ken Hornstein
>I twisted up a crude proof-of-concept implementation about 10 years >ago. I did it solely to get an idea of how much work it would be to >do a full-on implementation. This was against MH 6.3, and done while >I was considering giving 6.3 a complete overhaul to ANSIfy the code >and clean out all t

Re: [Nmh-workers] imap support, and portability

2009-10-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
> ARE you working on IMAP for nmh? If so, how far are > you along? I twisted up a crude proof-of-concept implementation about 10 years ago. I did it solely to get an idea of how much work it would be to do a full-on implementation. This was against MH 6.3, and done while I was considering givi

Re: [Nmh-workers] imap support, and portability

2009-10-14 Thread Ken Hornstein
>> Unless, Lyndon, _you_ >> are volunteering to implement IMAP for nmh the "right" way. Are you? No? >> Didn't think so. > >How could you possibly know what I am or am not working on? Well, I'm basing my guess on years of people doing no visible work on IMAP for nmh (that includes me as well, of

Re: [Nmh-workers] imap support, and portability

2009-10-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
> Unless, Lyndon, _you_ > are volunteering to implement IMAP for nmh the "right" way. Are you? No? > Didn't think so. How could you possibly know what I am or am not working on? ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu

Re: [Nmh-workers] imap support, and portability

2009-10-14 Thread Joel Uckelman
Thus spake Ken Hornstein: > > While I don't disagree with you, we have to face facts here. > > The sad truth is that MH/nmh development effort has been ... well, I guess > the kindest way to say it is "lacking" lately. And by "lately", you could > measure that timespan in years. The basic probl

Re: [Nmh-workers] imap support, and portability

2009-10-14 Thread Ken Hornstein
>Fuse is a major step forward for UNIX-like systems. But Fuse can >never be as portable as a conforming POSIX application. MH has always >been able to compile on anything even remotely resembling UNIX. Tying >it to a very implementation-specific API like this would negate nearly >30 years of por