Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Anthony J. Bentley
Ken Hornstein writes: > Let's take the example you gave where the first line for a man > page that uses tbl should contain: > > '\" t > > So, my question is ... what does this mean? I understand that \" is > a comment, but I'm confused about the leading single quote. According to mandoc's

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Bakul, > > groff was the macOS package Ken mentioned that provided troff. > > I've no knowledge of how Apple ship different troffs and how one can > > be specified as an nmh dependency. > > Apple doesn’t ship any *roff any more. If you look at their > /usr/bin/man script, they commented out

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Anthony J. Bentley
Ralph Corderoy writes: > > Apple doesn’t ship any *roff any more. If you look at their > > /usr/bin/man script, they commented out anything to do with groff and > > only rely on mandoc. > > Odd. That doesn't tally with what Ken said earlier. > >

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Anthony J. Bentley
Ralph Corderoy writes: > You're just prolonging the agony. Make nmh on macOS depend on > macOS's troff. Whether that's a virtual package satisfied by others > or an actual package if there's only one. You've identified one thing > mandoc is formatting wrongly. It may be formatting other things

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Greg Minshall wrote in <747928.1680604649@archlinux>: ... |[NB: i'm not claiming asciidoc is the right "light-weight markup |language" to choose. i don't really know. it just seems reasonable |enough to me. though, probably choosing any of the options, such as ... What i always hated was

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Anthony, > > And if not now, then it may do in the future, > > Pure FUD. In your anger, you cut too much. > > It may be formatting other things wrongly. > > And if not now, then it may do in the future, > > especially if knowedgable man-page authors continue to write nmh's > > *man pages*,

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Oliver Kiddle
Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi Paul, > > > What happened to the possibilitiy of simply replacing the .fc macros, > > and the use of tbl, with tab characters? > > Or one of the other alternatives I gave along with that one. The "PROFILE COMPONENTS" section of inc(1) appears to use an alternative

Number of nmh users. (Was: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X)

2023-04-04 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi doug, > There are 26 members on Savannah. Is that all of us that are left? The number of subscribers to the mailing lists may be a better representation. nmh-announce has ~60. It goes down whenever there's a flurry of announcements due to domains having expired, accounts being deleted, or,

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Ken, > > The status quo is fine. It doesn't require understanding all of > > troff. Just man(7) plus the odd bit here and there. > > Sigh. The "odd bit" unfortunately, for me, requires a lot of > knowledge that seems to take some serious roff-fu. Which is why I said refer to the mailing

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Greg Minshall
Ken, > >This seems like the sort of thing that should be possible to > >automate, and that question has been raised before. A quick search > >turned up the following, among others: > > > > > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13433903/convert-all-linux-man-pages-to-text-html-or-markdown >

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi kre, > > - Require groff. A win all round. > > If you mean "require a *roff compat text processor" then OK, but if > you really mean "groff" then no, never. groff was the macOS package Ken mentioned that provided troff. I've no knowledge of how Apple ship different troffs and how one can be

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Paul Fox
What happened to the possibilitiy of simply replacing the .fc macros, and the use of tbl, with tab characters? Sure seems simple, to me. paul =-- paul fox, p...@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma)

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Bakul Shah
On Apr 4, 2023, at 4:49 AM, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > groff was the macOS package Ken mentioned that provided troff. I've no > knowledge of how Apple ship different troffs and how one can be > specified as an nmh dependency. Apple doesn’t ship any *roff any more. If you look at their

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Paul, > What happened to the possibilitiy of simply replacing the .fc macros, > and the use of tbl, with tab characters? Or one of the other alternatives I gave along with that one. But it still leaves the risk of mandoc not coping with something else now or in the future. macOS, for that's

Re: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X

2023-04-04 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Anthony J. Bentley wrote in <2866-1680590811.027...@hnc7.hhyy.epmr>: |Ken Hornstein writes: |> Let's take the example you gave where the first line for a man |> page that uses tbl should contain: |> |> '\" t |> |> So, my question is ... what does this mean? I understand that \" is |> a

Re: Number of nmh users. (Was: Unsupported nroff macros on MacOS X)

2023-04-04 Thread doug dougwellington . com
Thanks! It's nice to know there are a few still out there. I've been using MH since 1997 and Unix since 1989, my first taste was BSD on a VAX 11/750. (I'm NOT OLD!!!. LOL) People tell me all about the cool integrated development environments, but the terminal has always been my favorite