[ NNSquad ] L.A. Times: FCC may hold another hearing regarding Comcast, NN, etc.

2008-03-02 Thread Lauren Weinstein
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus2mar02,0,413965.column "... Last week, the company caused another stir when it paid passers-by to fill seats at a contentious Federal Communications Commission hearing where critics turned out in droves to complain about surrepti

[ NNSquad ] Re: INTELLIGENT network management? (far from IP)

2008-03-02 Thread Bob Frankston
A very short response as I've beaten this issue to the ground many times before. If you know enough to define Q and S then you have an intelligent network that knows the meaning of the bits. Useful but not the Internet The question is not whether there are circumstances in which you want to app

[ NNSquad ] Re: INTELLIGENT network management? (far from IP)

2008-03-02 Thread Kevin McArthur
Fred, et al While well reasoned, this argument ignores bundling of protocols and a concept most commonly referred to as minimum acceptable service. Ignoring P2P, What real-time, jitter, lag and packet loss sensitive applications do people use broadband for? Gaming (WoW, FPS, RTS, etc) Remot

[ NNSquad ] Re: INTELLIGENT network management? (far from IP)

2008-03-02 Thread Fred Reimer
My specialty is not voice, but I do know QoS and the company I work for is one of the top technically as far as VoIP capabilities. However, I am not a spokesperson for my company and anything I contribute to NNSquad is my personal opinion and does not reflect the opinion of my company. With re

[ NNSquad ] Topic change on Fred Reimer's message

2008-03-02 Thread Lauren Weinstein
Fred's recent message came through with a subject formatting problem which has been corrected in the NNSquad Archive, new subject is: EU Parliament treating Internet censorship as trade barrier --Lauren-- NNSquad Moderator

[ NNSquad ] Re: INTELLIGENT network management? (far from IP)

2008-03-02 Thread Kevin McArthur
Fred, I have to take exception to your suggestion that QoS is "definitely required" for proper VoIP operation. Most VoIP today operates without any specific QoS support -- even ISPs that offer this 'thinly veiled VoIP tax' have carried VoIP successfully without traffic management for years. I

[ NNSquad ] Re: FCC_paths_to_Internet_network_management

2008-03-02 Thread John Meissen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [ John is correct. On closer inspection, the reject is from the remote MTA, not the local MTA (Verizon), so it falls into the more ordinary category of remote MTA spam filtering .. ] Actually, I'm wrong. As Roy politely pointed out to me, the "remote MTA" is, in

[ NNSquad ] (no subject)

2008-03-02 Thread Fred Reimer
Well, it seems that I have predictive abilities... See this article: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080227-eu-may-begin-treating-net-censorship-as-a-trade-barrier.html "The European Parliament recently passed a proposal to treat Internet censorship by repressive regimes as a trade barrie

[ NNSquad ] Re: INTELLIGENT network management? (far from IP)

2008-03-02 Thread Fred Reimer
Hmm. I have to agree with Brett on most of his comments. QoS is definitely part of the IETF RFC's. And QoS is definitely required for VoIP, in any network, for it to work properly. The problem is that there is no common global, or for that matter national, agreement as to how classifications an

[ NNSquad ] Re: FCC paths to Internet network management? ( from IP )

2008-03-02 Thread John Meissen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Verizon, for some reason, decided that it didn't like one of them You're misreading the error message: Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:   Recipient address: (Snipped for privacy)   Reason: SMTP transmission failure has occurred   Diagno

[ NNSquad ] Re: FCC paths to Internet network management? ( from IP )

2008-03-02 Thread Brett Glass
At 02:53 PM 3/2/2008, Roy J. Tellason wrote: >They're running something that looks at the content of my emails and bounces >it if it doesn't like _some URLs_ that I have in it? WTF? This is quite common, actually. RHSBLs are generally very good ways of detecting spam zombies -- better than, for

[ NNSquad ] Re: FCC paths to Internet network management? (from IP)

2008-03-02 Thread Brett Glass
At 10:41 AM 3/2/2008, Seth Johnson wrote: Despite the fact that Vint works for them. I'd like to see someone explain how differentiation based on "types" of applications would not end net neutrality. I will explain this for you, and I will try to put it very simply. Network Neutrality simply

[ NNSquad ] Re: FCC paths to Internet network management? ( from IP )

2008-03-02 Thread Roy J. Tellason
[ I really don't want to start another round of tit-for-tat arguments regarding the portion of the message text below that we've discussed earlier. But toward the end of this message a new topic is broached that I don't believe we've talked about directly on this list yet.