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1. [notepad-plus - Open Discussion] RE: "DonHo" should be fired
!!! (SourceForge.net)
2. [notepad-plus - Open Discussion] RE: "DonHo" should be fired
- NOT!!! (SourceForge.net)
3. [notepad-plus - Open Discussion] This thread is not about
donations! (SourceForge.net)
4. [notepad-plus - Open Discussion] RE: "DonHo" should be fired
(SourceForge.net)
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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:31:05 -0800
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Subject: [Notepad-plus-plus] [notepad-plus - Open Discussion] RE:
"DonHo" should be fired !!!
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By: nobody
> @ DeadWulff
^^^ A typo, or is that a wish? ;-)
> principally I also disagree with "dogooder", but on the other hand, what makes
a number of donations better?
Any monies donated to the project (or to Don personally, for that matter) are
immediately and directly beneficial to the project.
Don can chime in here if I am off base with this, but I presume that it takes
a lot of hardware to try to come close to duplicating the operating environments
that the user community are using (that the application will be deployed in...).
It also serves to put Don and the Devs behind their keyboards instead of out
flipping hamburgers, coding in some dingy back room as a contract programmer,
or operating in a corporate support environment where they are woefully
under-appreciated.
Monetary donations also serve to help to ensure that the priciple developers
don't just walk away, and have the project fizzle out in an anti-climatic
manner.
IMHO, that is what has happened on a number of other promising projects - CE
comes to mind here...
> Npp is so far good for a study in chaos theory, than as a trusted application
to seriously work with. As long as DonHo or his volunteers aren't able to master
a minimum of necessary organisation, will the situation be the same like before.
And the same troubles would appear again, and again, and again. For DonHo is
npp probably his masterpiece, his very special baby, and that's the real reason
for his weak cooperation with the remaining programmers of the project
Yes, there is room for improvement in the project (Documentation, etc.), but
there has been an awful lot of feature enhancement/releases and how much time
do you think the Devs have collectively to invest into the project? They do
have lives away from a terminal (I presume). IMHO, I think it good that they
make a release, jump on any major bugs that they didn't catch in alpha/beta,
and then shift focus to growing the application, vs. taking the time to throw
20 coats of polish at it.
I liken it to a much used tool in the toolbox. I may not be pretty, it may
not be perfect, fulfilling each and every esoteric need, but damn it, for those
jobs that it does do, it does it very well - it is used so much that it's
handles
conform to your hands, it keeps delivering, and ya know what, occassionally,
you can add to it's core functionality. , it
Instead of throwing out over-generalized statements of disappointment, and in
lieu of monetary investment if that is not of interest for you, please consider
chipping in and offer to see how you can help with those area that you feel
it falls short in.?.
An example: I cannot directly help with resolving any issues or contributing
to the programmatic growth or stability of the application, as I lack the
skillsets
and time, so it is via a token of a monetary investment where I choose to help.
The wiki is another area where one can directly contribute to helping with the
project.
Food for thought...
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:41:48 -0800
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Subject: [Notepad-plus-plus] [notepad-plus - Open Discussion] RE:
"DonHo" should be fired - NOT!!!
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By: nobody
Thank you, Trpplayer79, for correcting the info I provided.
I presume that any monies donated to Don will ultimately benefit the project
just as much as if they were donated to the project. However, I do stand
corrected.
There has indeed been a continous, albiet small trickle (I am guessing) of
donations
for some time.
Sorry all for the innocent mis-information. Some say 'Ignorancee is bliss.'
I think that assertion is a crock. I hate being wrong, but am not too proud
to admit when I am... :-)
...
But, the overall intent of my post remains steadfast - for those of us who are
able, willing, and make use of the tools that Don and the other devs, have
provided
herein, please consider helping with the project either by becoming a dev,
helping
with the wiki, or donating to the PROJECT @:
http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?group_id=95717
...
OK, the horse is bloody enuf. Thanks in advance. Have a good one!
-t
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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:00:04 -0800
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Subject: [Notepad-plus-plus] [notepad-plus - Open Discussion] This
thread is not about donations!
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By: nobody
So, if you like to continue arguing about donating money to the project, please
start a new thread.
I'll finish this part with my opinion. Personally, I think it won't matter much
if anyone or who is donated for a project they work on. I don't think it will
be enough to pay bills on the long term or even make a living. So all this
bull-shit
about keeping programmers away from a disrepective, low-paying employer or
company...
What are you trying to say or imply? That a real programmer has a bad life???
I can tell you I have not!
Next to that, I don't think a payment should be seen as some kind of input into
the development process. I don't think Don will work harder just because he
has earned a little money. I think he should be spending his time because he
believes in Notepad++ and wants to continue improving it, taking into account
wishes of users and fixing bugs.
If payment should be "translated" into development effort, one might expect
to get more in return for a bigger payment than a small one. Is there anyone
who dares to confess he thinks it should work like this?!
I think a payment should be seen as a thank-you for (previously) delivering
a tool that is useful to you. If you really want to help the project, perhaps
you should consider finding a way that really contributes, like some programming
or bug-fixing, testing or documenting and, surely not the least, answering
questions
on the forum if you can.
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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:07:35 -0800
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Subject: [Notepad-plus-plus] [notepad-plus - Open Discussion] RE:
"DonHo" should be fired
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By: nobody
Wow, you seem to be disappointed in some way. Can't you just say that?
Perhaps even someone would be willing to help you then.
If using Notepad++ brings you problems, then I suggest you stop using it,
instead
of complaining like a child and shouting bad language. That doesn't help us
either, so you will only take time and attention away from improving the project
for other users who are less disrespectful than you.
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