Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-10 Thread via GitHub


lkishalmi merged PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125


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Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-10 Thread via GitHub


lkishalmi commented on PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125#issuecomment-3733580266

   I think the JDK selection is only possible on the root project. Also the 
project shall be trusted otherwise the selection is grayed out.


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Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-08 Thread via GitHub


jtulach commented on PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125#issuecomment-3724023862

   > If we would nicely ask Gradle to initialize the project with Gradle 8 
wrapper that would make the project "kind of buildable"
   
   - I think it is OK to remove the `gradle.htmlui` project template
  - especially when I don't want to spend time to fix it
   - the flagship demo of this _"JavaFX Lite"_ effort currently is 
http://javafx.apidesign.org/
   - the [Try it Yourself](http://javafx.apidesign.org/#tryityourself) section 
suggests:
   ```
   $ git clone -b GradleDemo https://github.com/jtulach/bck2brwsr.git gradledemo
   $ cd gradledemo
   $ JAVA_HOME=/jdk-11 ./gradlew -t bck2brwsrShow
   ```
   - that continues to work as it fixes Gradle to 7.0 version and JDK to JDK 11
   - it would be nice, if that project could be opened in the most recent 
version of NetBeans, however when I try I see:
   
   https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/5e5fb599-ffa2-493e-8a93-7272af7b1d45";
 />
   
   - and when I try to switch the JDK, I cannot. Everything is disabled:
   
   https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/daba7600-fc5e-46af-8369-9cb2612a015b";
 />
   
   - the project used to work when I created it (of course)
  - I attribute the failure to open the project to the "inherent 
incompatibility" that Gradle ecosystem accepts
  - but I don't want to accept a necessity to update every project I have 
to latest Gradle and latest JDK every six months
   - if there is some simple way to fix the problem, I'd be thankful for an 
advice


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Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-05 Thread via GitHub


lkishalmi commented on PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125#issuecomment-3713131598

   @jtulach Well, it's not Gradle it's mostly me. If we would nicely ask Gradle 
to initialize the project with Gradle 8 wrapper that would make the project 
"kind of buildable", the state as it is right now with the JavaFX desktop part 
broken, most probably as the project template assumes either Java 8 or Java 11.
   
   I'm just being lazy, and decided not to support multiple Gradle versions 
with multiple JDK versions in the tests. That might change in the future, 
though I have also fears to open that door.
   
   Also, I don't have the "Java 8 Firever" vibe.
   
   P.S.: Just would like to mention, that in this case shipping this module 
disabled would not help as ergonomics, would activate the module as soon as 
someone would like to create a project with the template.


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Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-05 Thread via GitHub


matthiasblaesing commented on PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125#issuecomment-3711900807

   @jtulach thanks for checking. I wanted to ensure that this was not removed 
without getting feedback from the primary author. I still would prefer a less 
radical approach, but I remove my -1.


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Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-05 Thread via GitHub


jtulach commented on PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125#issuecomment-3711892844

   - Thanks for the heads up. 
   - I am not going to spend my time to fix the Gradle support of HTML/Java in 
NetBeans.
  - I hate systems that break something that has been working every few 
months 
  - I see Gradle as one of such lousy systems
   - on the other hand, I value the level of compatibility Maven provides so far
   - should there be any problem with Maven HTML/Java support, then I will take 
a look


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Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-05 Thread via GitHub


lkishalmi commented on PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125#issuecomment-3711705249

   @neilcsmith-net All I have is just assumption. I'd expect 1 more RC this 
week, then a release 1-2 weeks after that.


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Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-05 Thread via GitHub


lkishalmi commented on PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125#issuecomment-3711620620

   So this does not block the Gradle 9 tooling upgrade (as we do not include 
the test in our GHA workflows).
   However once Gradle 9 gets merged new projects created by this module would 
be unusable.


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Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-05 Thread via GitHub


neilcsmith-net commented on PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125#issuecomment-3711480601

   > -1. Before yanking things out at least give the people interest a warning 
and a chance to react. Not everyone follows every gradle release.
   
   If this is broken with Gradle 8, haven't those people had about 3 years to 
notice and react?! :laughing: 
   
   Anyway, @lkishalmi can you clarify, does this block upgrading the Gradle 
Tooling API, or is it just that the project is broken with that?  If the 
latter, then disabling both wizards for NB29 and removing for NB30 seems OK.  
If anyone steps up in time to fix before release, could even be reenabled.  But 
let's put the onus for that where it should be!
   


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Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-05 Thread via GitHub


matthiasblaesing commented on PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125#issuecomment-3711448512

   Alternative I see:
   
   1. raise problem on dev@ - if noone react, assume unmainted
   2. Disable module by default, change description so that users are warned 
and shall notify if they still sue this


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Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-05 Thread via GitHub


lkishalmi commented on PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125#issuecomment-3711442500

   Creating a Lazy Consensus thread on this (and Maven HTMLUI) on the mailing 
list, targeting broader audience.


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Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-05 Thread via GitHub


lkishalmi commented on PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125#issuecomment-3711410950

   > -1. Before yanking things out at least give the people interest a warning 
and a chance to react. Not everyone follows every gradle release.
   
   Well this does not mean that existing HTML UI project would be/unusable not 
supported by the IDE, just won't be able to create new ones.


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Re: [PR] Remove unmaintained Gradle HTMLUI Project Template [netbeans]

2026-01-05 Thread via GitHub


matthiasblaesing commented on PR #9125:
URL: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/9125#issuecomment-3711352505

   -1. Before yanking things out at least give the people interest a warning 
and a chance to react. Not everyone follows every gradle release.


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