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[Brian May]

On 1 June 2011 16:42, Thomas Jost  wrote:

> There's a function that changes the signature according to the From
> header in the message I sent on this list yesterday
> (id:"87pqmznczk.fsf at thor.loria.fr", near the end of the message).
>
>
Thanks for the pointer, it seems to work fine.
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[Brian May]

On 16 May 2011 19:29, Stewart Smith  wrote:

> Thought I'd share this bit of my .emacs snippet that may be useful to go
> on the emacs tips page.
>
> This does the following:
> - sets up a list of possible identities to have mail From
> - on composing mail, it prompts you for who you want to send mail from
> - pressing enter will give you the default (first in the list)
> - otherwise you have tab completion
>

Is it possible to have it change the signature per identity also?
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[Thomas Jost]

On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:53:18 +1000, Brian May  wrote:
> On 16 May 2011 19:29, Stewart Smith  wrote:
> 
> > Thought I'd share this bit of my .emacs snippet that may be useful to go
> > on the emacs tips page.
> >
> > This does the following:
> > - sets up a list of possible identities to have mail From
> > - on composing mail, it prompts you for who you want to send mail from
> > - pressing enter will give you the default (first in the list)
> > - otherwise you have tab completion
> >
> 
> Is it possible to have it change the signature per identity also?

There's a function that changes the signature according to the From
header in the message I sent on this list yesterday
(id:"87pqmznczk.fsf at thor.loria.fr", near the end of the message).

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Re: Multiple sender identities (composing)

[Brian May]

On 1 June 2011 16:42, Thomas Jost schno...@schnouki.net wrote:

 There's a function that changes the signature according to the From
 header in the message I sent on this list yesterday
 (id:87pqmznczk@thor.loria.fr, near the end of the message).


Thanks for the pointer, it seems to work fine.
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Re: Multiple sender identities (composing)

[Brian May]

On 16 May 2011 19:29, Stewart Smith stew...@flamingspork.com wrote:

 Thought I'd share this bit of my .emacs snippet that may be useful to go
 on the emacs tips page.

 This does the following:
 - sets up a list of possible identities to have mail From
 - on composing mail, it prompts you for who you want to send mail from
 - pressing enter will give you the default (first in the list)
 - otherwise you have tab completion


Is it possible to have it change the signature per identity also?
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Re: Multiple sender identities (composing)

[Stewart Smith]

On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:54:37 -0700, Carl Worth cwo...@cworth.org wrote:
 I've wanted something like this, but I'm extremely reluctant to put
 fancy things like this in my .emacs file. The problem I have is that I
 don't want to restrict nice features to the people who manage to
 configure their emacs just so.

I completely agree - and am rather glad that there's a proper solution now.

 I'll reply with a patch I just wrote attempting to implement that. By
 default, it generates the list of addresses by looking in your notmuch
 configuration file. It also provides a customizable list of addresses
 that the user can provide (notmuch-identities).

I'll try trunk with the patches as soon as I get home from travel and am
somewhat remotely close to not being a zombie.

 I don't know what trouble you had with ido on Ubuntu, but hopefully you
 can work that out.

I hope so too... it could just be how I was trying to use it or user
ignorance or something like that.

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[Stewart Smith]

On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:54:37 -0700, Carl Worth  wrote:
> I've wanted something like this, but I'm extremely reluctant to put
> fancy things like this in my .emacs file. The problem I have is that I
> don't want to restrict nice features to the people who manage to
> configure their emacs "just so".

I completely agree - and am rather glad that there's a proper solution now.

> I'll reply with a patch I just wrote attempting to implement that. By
> default, it generates the list of addresses by looking in your notmuch
> configuration file. It also provides a customizable list of addresses
> that the user can provide (notmuch-identities).

I'll try trunk with the patches as soon as I get home from travel and am
somewhat remotely close to not being a zombie.

> I don't know what trouble you had with ido on Ubuntu, but hopefully you
> can work that out.

I hope so too... it could just be how I was trying to use it or user
ignorance or something like that.

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[Carl Worth]

On Mon, 16 May 2011 19:29:07 +1000, Stewart Smith  
wrote:
> Thought I'd share this bit of my .emacs snippet that may be useful to go
> on the emacs tips page.

Hi Stewart,

Thanks for sharing this functionality.

I've wanted something like this, but I'm extremely reluctant to put
fancy things like this in my .emacs file. The problem I have is that I
don't want to restrict nice features to the people who manage to
configure their emacs "just so".

I'd much rather have this functionality inside notmuch itself, and
without requiring any configuration (by default).

I'll reply with a patch I just wrote attempting to implement that. By
default, it generates the list of addresses by looking in your notmuch
configuration file. It also provides a customizable list of addresses
that the user can provide (notmuch-identities).

The patch doesn't make all new composition buffers prompt for the
address. Instead, the original 'm' key does no prompting as its always
done. And a new 'M' key prompts.

I did use ido-completing-read rather than completing-read. I did that
because otherwise it's a pain to complete addresses. For example,
imagine I have the following:

Carl Worth 
Carl Worth 
Carl Worth 

To select my intel address hit "C [TAB]", "a [TAB]", "i [TAB]" which is
random enough that I can't memorize it but have to instead slowly watch.

With ido I can just type "intel [ENTER]" which is nice and quick (and I
can get trained to type less if sufficient.

One thing I don't like about ido is that the input area is extremely
cluttered from the beginning with all the possible inputs. I wish it
instead waiting for some explicit keypress (such as pressing ENTER while
the input is still ambiguous) before displaying possible matches.

I don't know what trouble you had with ido on Ubuntu, but hopefully you
can work that out.

I did implement support for completion history.

I did not implement support for doing completion when forwarding.

A nice addition would be an easy keybinding for doing the same
completion to change the From header while composing a message.

Anyway, I'm throwing this out for feedback, testing, and
suggestions. Please let me know if you try and out and if you think we
should push this code.

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Re: Multiple sender identities (composing)

[Carl Worth]

On Mon, 16 May 2011 19:29:07 +1000, Stewart Smith stew...@flamingspork.com 
wrote:
 Thought I'd share this bit of my .emacs snippet that may be useful to go
 on the emacs tips page.

Hi Stewart,

Thanks for sharing this functionality.

I've wanted something like this, but I'm extremely reluctant to put
fancy things like this in my .emacs file. The problem I have is that I
don't want to restrict nice features to the people who manage to
configure their emacs just so.

I'd much rather have this functionality inside notmuch itself, and
without requiring any configuration (by default).

I'll reply with a patch I just wrote attempting to implement that. By
default, it generates the list of addresses by looking in your notmuch
configuration file. It also provides a customizable list of addresses
that the user can provide (notmuch-identities).

The patch doesn't make all new composition buffers prompt for the
address. Instead, the original 'm' key does no prompting as its always
done. And a new 'M' key prompts.

I did use ido-completing-read rather than completing-read. I did that
because otherwise it's a pain to complete addresses. For example,
imagine I have the following:

Carl Worth cwo...@cworth.org
Carl Worth carl.d.wo...@intel.com
Carl Worth carl.d.wo...@gmail.com

To select my intel address hit C [TAB], a [TAB], i [TAB] which is
random enough that I can't memorize it but have to instead slowly watch.

With ido I can just type intel [ENTER] which is nice and quick (and I
can get trained to type less if sufficient.

One thing I don't like about ido is that the input area is extremely
cluttered from the beginning with all the possible inputs. I wish it
instead waiting for some explicit keypress (such as pressing ENTER while
the input is still ambiguous) before displaying possible matches.

I don't know what trouble you had with ido on Ubuntu, but hopefully you
can work that out.

I did implement support for completion history.

I did not implement support for doing completion when forwarding.

A nice addition would be an easy keybinding for doing the same
completion to change the From header while composing a message.

Anyway, I'm throwing this out for feedback, testing, and
suggestions. Please let me know if you try and out and if you think we
should push this code.

-Carl


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[Stewart Smith]

On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:52:43 +0200, Thomas Jost  
wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 19:29:07 +1000, Stewart Smith  flamingspork.com> wrote:
> (people who don't use or like ido may want to replace
> ido-completing-read with completing-read)

I couldn't get ido to work at all (Ubuntu Natty). It would just prompt
and not tab complete or even accept enter (it would insert a newline in
minibuffer) - which is why I just ended up using completing-read.

> - function to change the SMTP server that will be used for sending the
>   mail according to the From header

I actually just do this via postfix sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
which ends up working quite nicely.


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[Mueen Nawaz]

Jameson Graef Rollins
 writes:

> This is great, guys.  I've been wanting to get something like this
> working for a while now.

Agreed. Would be awesome if someone could post it to the Wiki...

Multiple sender identities (composing)

[Thomas Jost]

On Mon, 16 May 2011 09:52:32 -0700, Jameson Graef Rollins  wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:52:43 +0200, Thomas Jost  
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 May 2011 19:29:07 +1000, Stewart Smith  > flamingspork.com> wrote:
> > > Thought I'd share this bit of my .emacs snippet that may be useful to go
> > > on the emacs tips page.
> > > 
> > > This does the following:
> > > - sets up a list of possible identities to have mail From
> > > - on composing mail, it prompts you for who you want to send mail from
> > > - pressing enter will give you the default (first in the list)
> > > - otherwise you have tab completion
> 
> This is great, guys.  I've been wanting to get something like this
> working for a while now.
> 
> Have you guys looked at home message-mode does bbdb address completion
> in the To: and From: headers?  It has the nice benefit of being able to
> tab through all full addresses for a bbdb entry.  It would be nice to
> have this function fill in a default address, with the cursor at the end
> of the address, and then just tab through all the options without having
> to type in anything.  ido is pretty cool, though, and accomplishes a
> similar effect.

I don't know much about bbdb; right now I'm completing addresses with
notmuch-address.el and a little Python script that I wrote [1]. It can
complete the From header too, although I had never tried that before
writing this mail :)

> It would be nice to pull the addresses from the notmuch config, eg:
> 
> notmuch config get user.primary_email
> notmuch config get user.other_email

Nice idea, I like that. However this way you can only get the address
part, not the username part. And when using some addresses I want to put
a nickname instead of my full name, so just using a default user name is
not very convenient.
Or is it possible to put things like "User Name " in the
notmuch config?

> I would ideally like to be able to choose the From: address right before
> sending, as opposed to right before composing.  Has anyone tried to get
> that working?  I was not having much luck with send-hooks, since it
> looks like it expects the message to be complete at that point.

I haven't tried that, but it would indeed be nice to be able to do that
at send time.
The message-seend-hook doc states that "this hook is run quite early
when sending", so I would expect that to be the best solution.
However, if for some reason it doesn't work, it's probably possible to
write a little function around message-send (...or even to advise it) to
do whatever you want before it is actually executed.
I'll try to have a look at this tomorrow.

Regards,
Thomas

[1] https://github.com/Schnouki/dotfiles/blob/master/notmuch/addrbook.py

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[Stewart Smith]

Thought I'd share this bit of my .emacs snippet that may be useful to go
on the emacs tips page.

This does the following:
- sets up a list of possible identities to have mail From
- on composing mail, it prompts you for who you want to send mail from
- pressing enter will give you the default (first in the list)
- otherwise you have tab completion

You may also want to set this:
 '(message-sendmail-envelope-from (quote header))
(in custom-set-variables) so that if you're doing postfix sender based routing
or the like, it gets the correct address and doesn't end up sending
things the wrong way.

(setq stewart/mua-identities (list "Stewart Smith " "Stewart Smith "))

(defun stewart/notmuch-mua-mail ( from)
  (interactive)
  (setq from (completing-read "Sender identity: " stewart/mua-identities
   nil t nil nil (car stewart/mua-identities)))
  (notmuch-mua-mail nil nil (list (cons 'from from

(define-key notmuch-show-mode-map "m"
  (lambda ()
"send email"
(interactive)
(stewart/notmuch-mua-mail)))

(define-key notmuch-search-mode-map "m"
  (lambda ()
"send email"
(interactive)
(stewart/notmuch-mua-mail)))

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[green]

Jameson Graef Rollins wrote at 2011-05-16 11:52 -0500:
> This is great, guys.  I've been wanting to get something like this
> working for a while now.

Yes; thanks Stewart, Thomas.  This is one thing that has slowed my transition 
to notmuch (from Mutt).

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[Thomas Jost]

On Mon, 16 May 2011 19:29:07 +1000, Stewart Smith  
wrote:
> Thought I'd share this bit of my .emacs snippet that may be useful to go
> on the emacs tips page.
> 
> This does the following:
> - sets up a list of possible identities to have mail From
> - on composing mail, it prompts you for who you want to send mail from
> - pressing enter will give you the default (first in the list)
> - otherwise you have tab completion

And here's the same for choosing the identity when forwarding a mail:

;; Choose the identity used to forward a mail
(defun schnouki/notmuch-mua-forward-message ()
  (interactive)
  (let* ((from (ido-completing-read "Sender identity: " schnouki/mua-identities
nil nil nil nil (car 
schnouki/mua-identities)))
 (address-components (mail-extract-address-components from))
 (user-full-name (car address-components))
 (user-mail-address (cadr address-components)))
(notmuch-mua-forward-message)))

(people who don't use or like ido may want to replace
ido-completing-read with completing-read)

If anyone is interested, I have some more useful snippets available on
https://github.com/Schnouki/dotfiles/blob/master/emacs/init-50-mail.el#L232:
- function to choose a signature according to the From header
- function to choose the sender identity according to the To header
  (useful for replying to work e-mails using your work address, or for
  replying to a ML with a subscribed address that won't be rejected)
- function to change the SMTP server that will be used for sending the
  mail according to the From header

It seriously lacks documentation so don't hesitate to ask if you have
any problem with it :)

Regards,

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[Jameson Graef Rollins]

On Mon, 16 May 2011 20:03:34 +0200, Thomas Jost  
wrote:
> Nice idea, I like that. However this way you can only get the address
> part, not the username part. And when using some addresses I want to put
> a nickname instead of my full name, so just using a default user name is
> not very convenient.
> Or is it possible to put things like "User Name " in the
> notmuch config?

notmuch config get user.name

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[Jameson Graef Rollins]

On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:52:43 +0200, Thomas Jost  
wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 19:29:07 +1000, Stewart Smith  flamingspork.com> wrote:
> > Thought I'd share this bit of my .emacs snippet that may be useful to go
> > on the emacs tips page.
> > 
> > This does the following:
> > - sets up a list of possible identities to have mail From
> > - on composing mail, it prompts you for who you want to send mail from
> > - pressing enter will give you the default (first in the list)
> > - otherwise you have tab completion

This is great, guys.  I've been wanting to get something like this
working for a while now.

Have you guys looked at home message-mode does bbdb address completion
in the To: and From: headers?  It has the nice benefit of being able to
tab through all full addresses for a bbdb entry.  It would be nice to
have this function fill in a default address, with the cursor at the end
of the address, and then just tab through all the options without having
to type in anything.  ido is pretty cool, though, and accomplishes a
similar effect.

It would be nice to pull the addresses from the notmuch config, eg:

notmuch config get user.primary_email
notmuch config get user.other_email

I would ideally like to be able to choose the From: address right before
sending, as opposed to right before composing.  Has anyone tried to get
that working?  I was not having much luck with send-hooks, since it
looks like it expects the message to be complete at that point.

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[Stewart Smith]

Thought I'd share this bit of my .emacs snippet that may be useful to go
on the emacs tips page.

This does the following:
- sets up a list of possible identities to have mail From
- on composing mail, it prompts you for who you want to send mail from
- pressing enter will give you the default (first in the list)
- otherwise you have tab completion

You may also want to set this:
 '(message-sendmail-envelope-from (quote header))
(in custom-set-variables) so that if you're doing postfix sender based routing
or the like, it gets the correct address and doesn't end up sending
things the wrong way.

(setq stewart/mua-identities (list Stewart Smith stew...@flamingspork.com 
Stewart Smith stewart.sm...@percona.com))

(defun stewart/notmuch-mua-mail (optional from)
  (interactive)
  (setq from (completing-read Sender identity:  stewart/mua-identities
   nil t nil nil (car stewart/mua-identities)))
  (notmuch-mua-mail nil nil (list (cons 'from from

(define-key notmuch-show-mode-map m
  (lambda ()
send email
(interactive)
(stewart/notmuch-mua-mail)))

(define-key notmuch-search-mode-map m
  (lambda ()
send email
(interactive)
(stewart/notmuch-mua-mail)))

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Re: Multiple sender identities (composing)

[Stewart Smith]

On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:52:43 +0200, Thomas Jost schno...@schnouki.net wrote:
 On Mon, 16 May 2011 19:29:07 +1000, Stewart Smith stew...@flamingspork.com 
 wrote:
 (people who don't use or like ido may want to replace
 ido-completing-read with completing-read)

I couldn't get ido to work at all (Ubuntu Natty). It would just prompt
and not tab complete or even accept enter (it would insert a newline in
minibuffer) - which is why I just ended up using completing-read.

 - function to change the SMTP server that will be used for sending the
   mail according to the From header

I actually just do this via postfix sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
which ends up working quite nicely.


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Re: Multiple sender identities (composing)

[Thomas Jost]

On Mon, 16 May 2011 09:52:32 -0700, Jameson Graef Rollins 
jroll...@finestructure.net wrote:
 On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:52:43 +0200, Thomas Jost schno...@schnouki.net wrote:
  On Mon, 16 May 2011 19:29:07 +1000, Stewart Smith 
  stew...@flamingspork.com wrote:
   Thought I'd share this bit of my .emacs snippet that may be useful to go
   on the emacs tips page.
   
   This does the following:
   - sets up a list of possible identities to have mail From
   - on composing mail, it prompts you for who you want to send mail from
   - pressing enter will give you the default (first in the list)
   - otherwise you have tab completion
 
 This is great, guys.  I've been wanting to get something like this
 working for a while now.
 
 Have you guys looked at home message-mode does bbdb address completion
 in the To: and From: headers?  It has the nice benefit of being able to
 tab through all full addresses for a bbdb entry.  It would be nice to
 have this function fill in a default address, with the cursor at the end
 of the address, and then just tab through all the options without having
 to type in anything.  ido is pretty cool, though, and accomplishes a
 similar effect.

I don't know much about bbdb; right now I'm completing addresses with
notmuch-address.el and a little Python script that I wrote [1]. It can
complete the From header too, although I had never tried that before
writing this mail :)

 It would be nice to pull the addresses from the notmuch config, eg:
 
 notmuch config get user.primary_email
 notmuch config get user.other_email

Nice idea, I like that. However this way you can only get the address
part, not the username part. And when using some addresses I want to put
a nickname instead of my full name, so just using a default user name is
not very convenient.
Or is it possible to put things like User Name m...@myself.com in the
notmuch config?

 I would ideally like to be able to choose the From: address right before
 sending, as opposed to right before composing.  Has anyone tried to get
 that working?  I was not having much luck with send-hooks, since it
 looks like it expects the message to be complete at that point.

I haven't tried that, but it would indeed be nice to be able to do that
at send time.
The message-seend-hook doc states that this hook is run quite early
when sending, so I would expect that to be the best solution.
However, if for some reason it doesn't work, it's probably possible to
write a little function around message-send (...or even to advise it) to
do whatever you want before it is actually executed.
I'll try to have a look at this tomorrow.

Regards,
Thomas

[1] https://github.com/Schnouki/dotfiles/blob/master/notmuch/addrbook.py

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[green]

Jameson Graef Rollins wrote at 2011-05-16 11:52 -0500:
 This is great, guys.  I've been wanting to get something like this
 working for a while now.

Yes; thanks Stewart, Thomas.  This is one thing that has slowed my transition 
to notmuch (from Mutt).

Perhaps some of this or links to it could be added to the wiki?


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[Mueen Nawaz]

Jameson Graef Rollins
jroll...@finestructure.net writes:

 This is great, guys.  I've been wanting to get something like this
 working for a while now.

Agreed. Would be awesome if someone could post it to the Wiki...


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