[notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Tay Ray Chuan]

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Junio C Hamano  wrote:
> FWIW, I only said "_at least_ you need consent from them", and it was not
> meant to be an exhaustive list. ?"blame -C -C -C" may tell you more.

Without substantial analysis, "blame" alone is not sufficient - it
does not show which work was original, or derivative.

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Cheers,
Ray Chuan

[notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Carl Worth]

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:42:30 -0800, Junio C Hamano  wrote:
> Please drop the above the next time.

Oops. Yes, I missed that.

> FWIW, I only said "_at least_ you need consent from them", and it was not
> meant to be an exhaustive list.  "blame -C -C -C" may tell you more.

Fair enough.

> You are the party that wants this relicensing, not me.  Please do not
> burden me with excessive legwork for you, but help me a bit more
> proactively to make this happen.

I hope you see I haven't asked you to do any additional legwork. A
suggestion was made to construct a patch, which I did. You always have
the option of accepting or rejecting the patch as you see fit.

> Oh, I never said "do not use message ID".  I said "message ID alone is not
> good enough for most people".  Users of gmane and notmuch who know the
> tool they use would benefit from having message ID, _too_, but even if you
> were a user of notmuch, unless you have subscribed to the list and have
> your own archive, you wouldn't be able to say "show id:frotz".

Certainly. My assumption was that in a commit message for git, readers
would naturally assume that a message ID with no additional
specification could be found in the archives of the standard git mailing
list, (which is the case here). Otherwise, I would have qualified the
message ID more specifically.

-Carl
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[notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Johannes Schindelin]

Hi,

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Tay Ray Chuan wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Junio C Hamano  
> wrote:
> > FWIW, I only said "_at least_ you need consent from them", and it was 
> > not meant to be an exhaustive list. ?"blame -C -C -C" may tell you 
> > more.
> 
> Without substantial analysis, "blame" alone is not sufficient - it does 
> not show which work was original, or derivative.

Well, I think that blame can get you very, very far. For example, you will 
see that Josh Triplett's only (surviving) contribution to test-lib.sh is a 
single line saying "unset MAIL", which is too trivial to be copyrightable 
(and if it was not trivial, it still would be the only way to accomplish 
what it does, so it is again not copyrightable).

Ciao,
Dscho

[notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Matthieu Moy]

Junio C Hamano  writes:

>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.notmuch.general/1389/focus=140156
[...]
>> Meanwhile, a message ID lives forever and can be used in multiple
>> contexts.
>
> Oh, I never said "do not use message ID".  I said "message ID alone is not
> good enough for most people". 

FWIW, gmane allows links of the form

http://mid.gmane.org/7vaav8hpfo.fsf at alter.siamese.dyndns.org

which have the advantage of being simple to use, and still contain the
necessary information to get the message in case gmane dies.

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Re: [notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Carl Worth]

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:42:30 -0800, Junio C Hamano gits...@pobox.com wrote:
 Please drop the above the next time.

Oops. Yes, I missed that.

 FWIW, I only said _at least_ you need consent from them, and it was not
 meant to be an exhaustive list.  blame -C -C -C may tell you more.

Fair enough.

 You are the party that wants this relicensing, not me.  Please do not
 burden me with excessive legwork for you, but help me a bit more
 proactively to make this happen.

I hope you see I haven't asked you to do any additional legwork. A
suggestion was made to construct a patch, which I did. You always have
the option of accepting or rejecting the patch as you see fit.

 Oh, I never said do not use message ID.  I said message ID alone is not
 good enough for most people.  Users of gmane and notmuch who know the
 tool they use would benefit from having message ID, _too_, but even if you
 were a user of notmuch, unless you have subscribed to the list and have
 your own archive, you wouldn't be able to say show id:frotz.

Certainly. My assumption was that in a commit message for git, readers
would naturally assume that a message ID with no additional
specification could be found in the archives of the standard git mailing
list, (which is the case here). Otherwise, I would have qualified the
message ID more specifically.

-Carl


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Re: [notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Matthieu Moy]

Junio C Hamano gits...@pobox.com writes:

 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.notmuch.general/1389/focus=140156
[...]
 Meanwhile, a message ID lives forever and can be used in multiple
 contexts.

 Oh, I never said do not use message ID.  I said message ID alone is not
 good enough for most people. 

FWIW, gmane allows links of the form

http://mid.gmane.org/7vaav8hpfo@alter.siamese.dyndns.org

which have the advantage of being simple to use, and still contain the
necessary information to get the message in case gmane dies.

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[notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Junio C Hamano]

Carl Worth  writes:

> From 8693995fde71e8b028318e1e83bdbb6ae759335a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Carl Worth 
> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:41:24 -0800
> Subject: [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from 
> GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

Please drop the above the next time.

> The relicensing was agreed to by Junio C Hamano here:
>
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.notmuch.general/1389/focus=140156
>
> and in follow-up messages by Sverre Rabbelier, Johannes Schindelin,
> Pierre Habouzit, and Johannes Sixt.

FWIW, I only said "_at least_ you need consent from them", and it was not
meant to be an exhaustive list.  "blame -C -C -C" may tell you more.

You are the party that wants this relicensing, not me.  Please do not
burden me with excessive legwork for you, but help me a bit more
proactively to make this happen.

> Meanwhile, a message ID lives forever and can be used in multiple
> contexts.

Oh, I never said "do not use message ID".  I said "message ID alone is not
good enough for most people".  Users of gmane and notmuch who know the
tool they use would benefit from having message ID, _too_, but even if you
were a user of notmuch, unless you have subscribed to the list and have
your own archive, you wouldn't be able to say "show id:frotz".

Re: [notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Tay Ray Chuan]

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Junio C Hamano gits...@pobox.com wrote:
 FWIW, I only said _at least_ you need consent from them, and it was not
 meant to be an exhaustive list.  blame -C -C -C may tell you more.

Without substantial analysis, blame alone is not sufficient - it
does not show which work was original, or derivative.

-- 
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Ray Chuan
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[notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Tay Ray Chuan]

Hi,

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Carl Worth  wrote:
> The request for relicensing was presented to the git community in:
>
> ? ? ? ?Message-ID: <871vgmki4f.fsf at steelpick.localdomain>
>
> and explicitly agreed to by Junio C Hamano, Sverre Rabbelier, Johannes
> Schindelin, Pierre Habouzit, and Johannes Sixt.

(of all projects, Mercurial!) take a look at Mercurial's attempt at
relicensing last year (http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Relicensing):
they contacted all 300+ contributors as part of the process.

Of course, we aren't talking about relicensing the whole codebase.
However, I don't think any of the contributors agreed to assign their
work to the 5 people mentioned above (eg. under a contributor licence
agreement), so just getting the approval of them is not enough; you
need to get the approval of *all* contributors to test-lib.sh.

Here's what I get with 'git shortlog t/test-lib.sh  | grep "^[A-Z]"'

   Alex Riesen (5):
   Brandon Casey (2):
   Bryan Donlan (3):
   Carl Worth (1):
   Christian Couder (1):
   Clemens Buchacher (3):
   David Reiss (1):
   Emil Sit (1):
   Eric Wong (3):
   Fredrik Kuivinen (1):
   Gerrit Pape (1):
   Jakub Narebski (1):
   Jeff King (7):
   Johan Herland (1):
   Johannes Schindelin (14):
   Johannes Sixt (12):
   Jonathan Nieder (1):
   Josh Triplett (1):
   Junio C Hamano (57):
   Lea Wiemann (5):
   Markus Heidelberg (1):
   Martin Waitz (1):
   Matthew Ogilvie (1):
   Matthias Lederhofer (1):
   Michael J Gruber (4):
   Michele Ballabio (2):
   Miklos Vajna (1):
   Nicolas Pitre (1):
   Pavel Roskin (3):
   Petr Baudis (3):
   Pierre Habouzit (2):
   Robin Rosenberg (1):
   Shawn O. Pearce (4):
   Stephan Beyer (1):
   Stephen Boyd (1):
   Sverre Rabbelier (2):

PS: This message should not be construed as legal advice.

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Ray Chuan

[notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Johannes Schindelin]

Hi,

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Carl Worth wrote:

> This file has had no explicit license information noted in it, but
> has clearly been created and modified according to the terms of GPLv2
> as with the rest of the git code base.
> 
> The purpose of relicensing is to allow other GPLv3+ projects (in
> particular, the notmuch project: http://notmuchmail.org) to use this
> same test-suite structure (and to contribute changes back as well).
> 
> The request for relicensing was presented to the git community in:
> 
>   Message-ID: <871vgmki4f.fsf at steelpick.localdomain>
> 
> and explicitly agreed to by Junio C Hamano, Sverre Rabbelier, Johannes
> Schindelin, Pierre Habouzit, and Johannes Sixt.

As promised:

Acked-by: Johannes Schindelin 

Ciao,
Dscho

[notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Junio C Hamano]

Carl Worth  writes:

> This file has had no explicit license information noted in it, but
> has clearly been created and modified according to the terms of GPLv2
> as with the rest of the git code base.
>
> The purpose of relicensing is to allow other GPLv3+ projects (in
> particular, the notmuch project: http://notmuchmail.org) to use this
> same test-suite structure (and to contribute changes back as well).

Please drop the parentheses around the last phrase (but not the last
phrase itself).

> The request for relicensing was presented to the git community in:
>
>   Message-ID: <871vgmki4f.fsf at steelpick.localdomain>


Message-ID alone is not a good way to help people locate the request.
Please at least mention what mailing list the message was sent to; better
yet, do so like this:

  http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.notmuch.general/1389/focus=140156

so that people can see the consent from the primary author (that is where
the focus is), the original request (that can be seen by looking at its
immediate parent), and messages with consent from other contributors, all
in one place.

> and explicitly agreed to by Junio C Hamano, Sverre Rabbelier, Johannes
> Schindelin, Pierre Habouzit, and Johannes Sixt.
> ---

And a sign-off ;-).

Thanks.

[notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Carl Worth]

This file has had no explicit license information noted in it, but
has clearly been created and modified according to the terms of GPLv2
as with the rest of the git code base.

The purpose of relicensing is to allow other GPLv3+ projects (in
particular, the notmuch project: http://notmuchmail.org) to use this
same test-suite structure (and to contribute changes back as well).

The request for relicensing was presented to the git community in:

Message-ID: <871vgmki4f.fsf at steelpick.localdomain>

and explicitly agreed to by Junio C Hamano, Sverre Rabbelier, Johannes
Schindelin, Pierre Habouzit, and Johannes Sixt.
---

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:04:37 +0100 (CET), Johannes Schindelin 
 wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Carl Worth wrote:
>
> > I think the most clear step forward would be for test-lib.sh to be
> > updated in the git repository with an explicit licensing blurb
> > reflecting this agreement.
> 
> Sure. If you make an appropriate patch, I'll ACK it.

Thanks Johannes,

Hopefully this does the trick. Otherwise, please let me know.

-Carl

 t/test-lib.sh |   12 
 1 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)

diff --git a/t/test-lib.sh b/t/test-lib.sh
index afd3053..004470f 100644
--- a/t/test-lib.sh
+++ b/t/test-lib.sh
@@ -2,6 +2,18 @@
 #
 # Copyright (c) 2005 Junio C Hamano
 #
+# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
+# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
+# the Free Software Foundation, either version 2 of the License, or
+# (at your option) any later version.
+#
+# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
+# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
+# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
+# GNU General Public License for more details.
+#
+# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
+# along with this program.  If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ .

 # if --tee was passed, write the output not only to the terminal, but
 # additionally to the file test-results/$BASENAME.out, too.
-- 
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[notmuch] [PATCH] test-lib.sh: Add explicit license detail, with change from GPLv2 to GPLv2+.

[Carl Worth]

This file has had no explicit license information noted in it, but
has clearly been created and modified according to the terms of GPLv2
as with the rest of the git code base.

The purpose of relicensing is to allow other GPLv3+ projects (in
particular, the notmuch project: http://notmuchmail.org) to use this
same test-suite structure (and to contribute changes back as well).

The request for relicensing was presented to the git community in:

Message-ID: 871vgmki4f@steelpick.localdomain

and explicitly agreed to by Junio C Hamano, Sverre Rabbelier, Johannes
Schindelin, Pierre Habouzit, and Johannes Sixt.
---

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:04:37 +0100 (CET), Johannes Schindelin 
johannes.schinde...@gmx.de wrote:
 On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Carl Worth wrote:

  I think the most clear step forward would be for test-lib.sh to be
  updated in the git repository with an explicit licensing blurb
  reflecting this agreement.
 
 Sure. If you make an appropriate patch, I'll ACK it.

Thanks Johannes,

Hopefully this does the trick. Otherwise, please let me know.

-Carl

 t/test-lib.sh |   12 
 1 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)

diff --git a/t/test-lib.sh b/t/test-lib.sh
index afd3053..004470f 100644
--- a/t/test-lib.sh
+++ b/t/test-lib.sh
@@ -2,6 +2,18 @@
 #
 # Copyright (c) 2005 Junio C Hamano
 #
+# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
+# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
+# the Free Software Foundation, either version 2 of the License, or
+# (at your option) any later version.
+#
+# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
+# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
+# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
+# GNU General Public License for more details.
+#
+# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
+# along with this program.  If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ .
 
 # if --tee was passed, write the output not only to the terminal, but
 # additionally to the file test-results/$BASENAME.out, too.
-- 
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