Re: [PATCH] test: allow to use --full-sync

2022-02-17 Thread David Bremner
Michael J Gruber  writes:

> I don't mind carrying this locally and retrying without for the next
> round of notmuch updates. Having the patch here on-list may help
> someone else in the future in any case.

OK, I suggest you do that for now. I'm not categorically opposed to
(some version of) the change, but like Tomi I would like to understand
what problem you are solving a bit better.

I did try running the test suite on xfs (without bigtime set). This was
amd64 so I couldn't exactly duplicate the conditions where you see
failure. How much work is it to set up an environment that duplicates
the failures?

d
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Re: [PATCH] test: allow to use --full-sync

2022-02-16 Thread Tomi Ollila
On Wed, Feb 16 2022, Tomi Ollila wrote:

>
> I'd not merge this NOTMUCH_NEW_OPTIONS=--full-scan ;D too eagerly
> ... I'd like we really knew the reason (which is then written in
> commit message)

I seem I did not get my message above (or why the ;D is there)
expressed clear enough -- the idea there was that also

NOTMUCH_NEW_OPTIONS=--full-scan make test
would have worked

(or, NOTMUCH_NEW_OPTIONS=--verbose, to get noisy output -- and lot of
failed tests ;D)

(to disable such a leakage of environment variable into test run 
NOTMUCH_NEW_OPTIONS= should have been there before checking that variable
 -- OTOH just adding NOTMUCH_NEW_OPTIONS=... as way to provide any options
to notmuch new (for users to experiment) could be an option (or
something...))

Anyway, I am not proposing adding such...now... but better concentrate 
figuring out what is happening there and why...

> Tomi
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Re: [PATCH] test: allow to use --full-sync

2022-02-16 Thread Tomi Ollila
On Wed, Feb 16 2022, Michael J. Gruber wrote:

> David Bremner venit, vidit, dixit 2022-02-16 14:04:17:
>> Michael J Gruber  writes:
>> 
>> > Some build infrastructure appears to habe problems with mtime/stat,
>> 
>> have
>
> Huh, this looks as if my mother tongue slipped in, while it's just key
> proximity.
>
>> > leading to spurious failures (noticed on s390x and aarch64 with epel8).
>> > Allow the test suite to be run with --full-sync so that release builds
>> > can use the test suite while avoiding spurious failures.
>> >
>> > Signed-off-by: Michael J Gruber 
>> > ---
>> >  test/README | 8 
>> >  test/test-lib-common.sh | 7 ++-
>> >  test/test-lib.sh| 2 +-
>> >  3 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>> >
>> > diff --git a/test/README b/test/README
>> > index 10f127cb..1de79b78 100644
>> > --- a/test/README
>> > +++ b/test/README
>> > @@ -110,6 +110,14 @@ printed on screen. This printing can be disabled by 
>> > setting the
>> >  NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET variable to a non-null value. Message on test
>> >  failures and skips are still printed.
>> 
>> typo in variable name.
>
> Not here, but in fact in the actual patch ;)
>
>
>> How confident are you that this actually fixes your intermittent
>> failures?  There are quite a few literal invocations of "notmuch new" in
>> the test suite. Would those need to be changed as well?
>
> About 80% confident ... The patch covers all areas in which I've ever
> witnessed the spurious FAILs. I have not had a single failure with the
> patch. Many of the other invocations are not immediately after message
> creation.
>
> Some of them are immediately after, and - given that notmuch new catches
> the case of same time - I do not understand why this happens at all.
> That accounts for the other 20%.
>
> I don't mind carrying this locally and retrying without for the next
> round of notmuch updates. Having the patch here on-list may help
> someone else in the future in any case.

I'd not merge this NOTMUCH_NEW_OPTIONS=--full-scan ;D too eagerly
... I'd like we really knew the reason (which is then written in
commit message)

>
> Michael

Tomi
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Re: [PATCH] test: allow to use --full-sync

2022-02-16 Thread Michael J Gruber
David Bremner venit, vidit, dixit 2022-02-16 14:04:17:
> Michael J Gruber  writes:
> 
> > Some build infrastructure appears to habe problems with mtime/stat,
> 
> have

Huh, this looks as if my mother tongue slipped in, while it's just key
proximity.

> > leading to spurious failures (noticed on s390x and aarch64 with epel8).
> > Allow the test suite to be run with --full-sync so that release builds
> > can use the test suite while avoiding spurious failures.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Michael J Gruber 
> > ---
> >  test/README | 8 
> >  test/test-lib-common.sh | 7 ++-
> >  test/test-lib.sh| 2 +-
> >  3 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/test/README b/test/README
> > index 10f127cb..1de79b78 100644
> > --- a/test/README
> > +++ b/test/README
> > @@ -110,6 +110,14 @@ printed on screen. This printing can be disabled by 
> > setting the
> >  NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET variable to a non-null value. Message on test
> >  failures and skips are still printed.
> 
> typo in variable name.

Not here, but in fact in the actual patch ;)


> How confident are you that this actually fixes your intermittent
> failures?  There are quite a few literal invocations of "notmuch new" in
> the test suite. Would those need to be changed as well?

About 80% confident ... The patch covers all areas in which I've ever
witnessed the spurious FAILs. I have not had a single failure with the
patch. Many of the other invocations are not immediately after message
creation.

Some of them are immediately after, and - given that notmuch new catches
the case of same time - I do not understand why this happens at all.
That accounts for the other 20%.

I don't mind carrying this locally and retrying without for the next
round of notmuch updates. Having the patch here on-list may help
someone else in the future in any case.

Michael
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Re: [PATCH] test: allow to use --full-sync

2022-02-16 Thread David Bremner
Michael J Gruber  writes:

> Some build infrastructure appears to habe problems with mtime/stat,

have

> leading to spurious failures (noticed on s390x and aarch64 with epel8).
> Allow the test suite to be run with --full-sync so that release builds
> can use the test suite while avoiding spurious failures.
>
> Signed-off-by: Michael J Gruber 
> ---
>  test/README | 8 
>  test/test-lib-common.sh | 7 ++-
>  test/test-lib.sh| 2 +-
>  3 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/test/README b/test/README
> index 10f127cb..1de79b78 100644
> --- a/test/README
> +++ b/test/README
> @@ -110,6 +110,14 @@ printed on screen. This printing can be disabled by 
> setting the
>  NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET variable to a non-null value. Message on test
>  failures and skips are still printed.

typo in variable name.

How confident are you that this actually fixes your intermittent
failures?  There are quite a few literal invocations of "notmuch new" in
the test suite. Would those need to be changed as well?

d
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