Re: [ns] NS-Users Q-process Guideline
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Teerawat@UBC wrote: > Dear Tom, > > Thanks for your comments. It is quite hard to find a moderator, indeed. It > would be hard to do so. I'm not quite sure how to fix the problem, except > for putting [NS-ANS] tag on the subject *and useing REPLY TO ALL to answer > a question :).* A lot of mail clients can do the filter and shows on the > answer. > > In fact, what I have done so far is as follows. I've been blogging about > NS2 regularly at ns2ultimate.com. When I see the question that can be > answered with my blog, I just refer those people to my blog. For those who > do not ask responsibly, e.g., please send me the source code of > protocols, I direct them to my blog post on Ethic. > > http://www.ns2ultimate.com/post/535741560/assistance-and-ethics > > *Thanks alot Teerawat for these useful links (blog and fun page...)* > Best Regards, > Teerawat > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Mariam A. Moustafa wrote: > > > > > Dear Tom, > > > > Thanks a lot for your important points, I encourage the point of WIKI too > > much..., concerning the admins or moderated, how can we reach them?! > > > > and really Greate Work @ NS3-Wiki, we hope the same here... > > > > Thanks dear, > > Mariam > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Tom Henderson wrote: > > > >> > >> On 08/15/2011 01:45 AM, Mariam A. Moustafa wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Teerawat, > >>> > >>> Actually I have thought in this issue for a long time :) > >>> > >>> I think, there is an admin of this list and this is his > responsability!! > >>> > >>> Else we have another silly choice, what about sending this guideline > >>> periodically, say at the start of each month. (I may do this silly task > >> :( ) > >>> to notify the new members and review with the older. > >>> > >>> In fact the really gain from this guideline is sending the answer using > >>> RELPY TO ALL, this will save the answers. > >>> > >>> Kindly, if you have any other suggestions, please share with us. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Mariam > >>> > >> > >> Here are a few thoughts on this topic. This issue has been around for > >> as long as the list itself (~15 years) and admins have tried to deal > >> with it through various mechanisms: > >> > >> - First-time posters bounce message > >> - Monthly FAQ on ns-2 sent out automatically > >> - Make people subscribe through a gateway web page that asks them to > >> follow list rules. (http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-dev-list.html has > >> done this for the developers list) > >> > >> Despite this, some people will always ask the list first, without > >> searching. This will be unavoidable in an unmoderated list. > >> > >> I think there are two basic options here: > >> 1) (moderated) more intrusive moderation of the list, and bouncing > >> inappropriate questions from first-time posters with some suggestions > >> about how they need to improve their question. This is probably nicer > >> for everyone on the list (improving signal to noise ratio) but is a lot > >> of work for the moderator. > >> 2) (unmoderated) keep up with some combination of what we are doing now, > >> perhaps with some updates from the ideas in this thread > >> > >> Unless someone or some small group of individuals wants to take on > >> active moderation duties (note, I do not want to do this myself), I > >> think that some of the ideas in this thread can be used to enhance what > >> has already been done; namely, an (improved) monthly FAQ/posting > >> guidelines reminder, also sent to new list members if possible upon > >> successful subscription, the first time posters bounce script, and > >> having people click through a web page with the posting rules, before > >> getting to the subscription page. > >> > >> Another thing we have been doing occasionally on ns-3 is to try to > >> answer some FAQs by writing the answers on a wiki page, and point people > >> to this wiki in the reply, rather than answering in line on the list: > >> http://www.nsnam.org/wiki/index.php/HOWTOs > >> Then, people discover the presence of this wiki. If someone wants to be > >> a wiki curator of an ns-2 FAQ/HOWTO, we could set that up too. > >> > >> - Tom > >> > >> > > > >
Re: [ns] NS-Users Q-process Guideline
Dear Tom, Thanks for your comments. It is quite hard to find a moderator, indeed. It would be hard to do so. I'm not quite sure how to fix the problem, except for putting [NS-ANS] tag on the subject. A lot of mail clients can do the filter and shows on the answer. In fact, what I have done so far is as follows. I've been blogging about NS2 regularly at ns2ultimate.com. When I see the question that can be answered with my blog, I just refer those people to my blog. For those who do not ask responsibly, e.g., please send me the source code of protocols, I direct them to my blog post on Ethic. http://www.ns2ultimate.com/post/535741560/assistance-and-ethics Best Regards, Teerawat On Aug 16, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Mariam A. Moustafa wrote: > > Dear Tom, > > Thanks a lot for your important points, I encourage the point of WIKI too > much..., concerning the admins or moderated, how can we reach them?! > > and really Greate Work @ NS3-Wiki, we hope the same here... > > Thanks dear, > Mariam > > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Tom Henderson wrote: > >> >> On 08/15/2011 01:45 AM, Mariam A. Moustafa wrote: >>> >>> Dear Teerawat, >>> >>> Actually I have thought in this issue for a long time :) >>> >>> I think, there is an admin of this list and this is his responsability!! >>> >>> Else we have another silly choice, what about sending this guideline >>> periodically, say at the start of each month. (I may do this silly task >> :( ) >>> to notify the new members and review with the older. >>> >>> In fact the really gain from this guideline is sending the answer using >>> RELPY TO ALL, this will save the answers. >>> >>> Kindly, if you have any other suggestions, please share with us. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mariam >>> >> >> Here are a few thoughts on this topic. This issue has been around for >> as long as the list itself (~15 years) and admins have tried to deal >> with it through various mechanisms: >> >> - First-time posters bounce message >> - Monthly FAQ on ns-2 sent out automatically >> - Make people subscribe through a gateway web page that asks them to >> follow list rules. (http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-dev-list.html has >> done this for the developers list) >> >> Despite this, some people will always ask the list first, without >> searching. This will be unavoidable in an unmoderated list. >> >> I think there are two basic options here: >> 1) (moderated) more intrusive moderation of the list, and bouncing >> inappropriate questions from first-time posters with some suggestions >> about how they need to improve their question. This is probably nicer >> for everyone on the list (improving signal to noise ratio) but is a lot >> of work for the moderator. >> 2) (unmoderated) keep up with some combination of what we are doing now, >> perhaps with some updates from the ideas in this thread >> >> Unless someone or some small group of individuals wants to take on >> active moderation duties (note, I do not want to do this myself), I >> think that some of the ideas in this thread can be used to enhance what >> has already been done; namely, an (improved) monthly FAQ/posting >> guidelines reminder, also sent to new list members if possible upon >> successful subscription, the first time posters bounce script, and >> having people click through a web page with the posting rules, before >> getting to the subscription page. >> >> Another thing we have been doing occasionally on ns-3 is to try to >> answer some FAQs by writing the answers on a wiki page, and point people >> to this wiki in the reply, rather than answering in line on the list: >> http://www.nsnam.org/wiki/index.php/HOWTOs >> Then, people discover the presence of this wiki. If someone wants to be >> a wiki curator of an ns-2 FAQ/HOWTO, we could set that up too. >> >> - Tom >> >> >
Re: [ns] NS-Users Q-process Guideline
Dear Tom, Thanks a lot for your important points, I encourage the point of WIKI too much..., concerning the admins or moderated, how can we reach them?! and really Greate Work @ NS3-Wiki, we hope the same here... Thanks dear, Mariam On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Tom Henderson wrote: > > On 08/15/2011 01:45 AM, Mariam A. Moustafa wrote: > > > > Dear Teerawat, > > > > Actually I have thought in this issue for a long time :) > > > > I think, there is an admin of this list and this is his responsability!! > > > > Else we have another silly choice, what about sending this guideline > > periodically, say at the start of each month. (I may do this silly task > :( ) > > to notify the new members and review with the older. > > > > In fact the really gain from this guideline is sending the answer using > > RELPY TO ALL, this will save the answers. > > > > Kindly, if you have any other suggestions, please share with us. > > > > Thanks > > Mariam > > > > Here are a few thoughts on this topic. This issue has been around for > as long as the list itself (~15 years) and admins have tried to deal > with it through various mechanisms: > > - First-time posters bounce message > - Monthly FAQ on ns-2 sent out automatically > - Make people subscribe through a gateway web page that asks them to > follow list rules. (http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-dev-list.html has > done this for the developers list) > > Despite this, some people will always ask the list first, without > searching. This will be unavoidable in an unmoderated list. > > I think there are two basic options here: > 1) (moderated) more intrusive moderation of the list, and bouncing > inappropriate questions from first-time posters with some suggestions > about how they need to improve their question. This is probably nicer > for everyone on the list (improving signal to noise ratio) but is a lot > of work for the moderator. > 2) (unmoderated) keep up with some combination of what we are doing now, > perhaps with some updates from the ideas in this thread > > Unless someone or some small group of individuals wants to take on > active moderation duties (note, I do not want to do this myself), I > think that some of the ideas in this thread can be used to enhance what > has already been done; namely, an (improved) monthly FAQ/posting > guidelines reminder, also sent to new list members if possible upon > successful subscription, the first time posters bounce script, and > having people click through a web page with the posting rules, before > getting to the subscription page. > > Another thing we have been doing occasionally on ns-3 is to try to > answer some FAQs by writing the answers on a wiki page, and point people > to this wiki in the reply, rather than answering in line on the list: > http://www.nsnam.org/wiki/index.php/HOWTOs > Then, people discover the presence of this wiki. If someone wants to be > a wiki curator of an ns-2 FAQ/HOWTO, we could set that up too. > > - Tom > >
Re: [ns] NS-Users Q-process Guideline
On 08/15/2011 01:45 AM, Mariam A. Moustafa wrote: > > Dear Teerawat, > > Actually I have thought in this issue for a long time :) > > I think, there is an admin of this list and this is his responsability!! > > Else we have another silly choice, what about sending this guideline > periodically, say at the start of each month. (I may do this silly task :( ) > to notify the new members and review with the older. > > In fact the really gain from this guideline is sending the answer using > RELPY TO ALL, this will save the answers. > > Kindly, if you have any other suggestions, please share with us. > > Thanks > Mariam > Here are a few thoughts on this topic. This issue has been around for as long as the list itself (~15 years) and admins have tried to deal with it through various mechanisms: - First-time posters bounce message - Monthly FAQ on ns-2 sent out automatically - Make people subscribe through a gateway web page that asks them to follow list rules. (http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-dev-list.html has done this for the developers list) Despite this, some people will always ask the list first, without searching. This will be unavoidable in an unmoderated list. I think there are two basic options here: 1) (moderated) more intrusive moderation of the list, and bouncing inappropriate questions from first-time posters with some suggestions about how they need to improve their question. This is probably nicer for everyone on the list (improving signal to noise ratio) but is a lot of work for the moderator. 2) (unmoderated) keep up with some combination of what we are doing now, perhaps with some updates from the ideas in this thread Unless someone or some small group of individuals wants to take on active moderation duties (note, I do not want to do this myself), I think that some of the ideas in this thread can be used to enhance what has already been done; namely, an (improved) monthly FAQ/posting guidelines reminder, also sent to new list members if possible upon successful subscription, the first time posters bounce script, and having people click through a web page with the posting rules, before getting to the subscription page. Another thing we have been doing occasionally on ns-3 is to try to answer some FAQs by writing the answers on a wiki page, and point people to this wiki in the reply, rather than answering in line on the list: http://www.nsnam.org/wiki/index.php/HOWTOs Then, people discover the presence of this wiki. If someone wants to be a wiki curator of an ns-2 FAQ/HOWTO, we could set that up too. - Tom
Re: [ns] NS-Users Q-process Guideline
Dear Teerawat, Actually I have thought in this issue for a long time :) I think, there is an admin of this list and this is his responsability!! Else we have another silly choice, what about sending this guideline periodically, say at the start of each month. (I may do this silly task :( ) to notify the new members and review with the older. In fact the really gain from this guideline is sending the answer using RELPY TO ALL, this will save the answers. Kindly, if you have any other suggestions, please share with us. Thanks Mariam On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Teerawat@UBC wrote: > Dear Mariam, > > Thanks a lot for the conclusion. It looks good to me. But we still have one > problem. Where are we going to put this guideline? I mean, most of the new > comers would come directly to this page, not reading this guideline. We need > a place where we can point them to read this guideline. > > Best Regards, > > Teerawat Issariyakul > http://www.ns2ultimate.com/ > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Teerawat-Issariyakul/358240861417 > http://twitter.com/T_Bear > http://www.t-issariyakul.blogspot.com > http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~teerawat > On Aug 14, 2011, at 1:19 AM, Mariam A. Moustafa wrote: > > > > > Salam Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh, > > Dears NS-Users > > > > According to our discussion in the mail of a subject "[VIP] Discussion", > We > > agreed on these guidelines to effectively manage the question's process > on > > this mailing list > > > > Here is the rules: (please mention, if I forget a thing) > > > --- > > > > *1- To minimize the trivial question, the asker should search the > archiving > > first to find the answer else if doesn't exist, kindly pay some efforts > and > > time to google for the answer else send here!* > > * > > * > > *2- The answer of elaborated questions will be sent for the all user not > > only the asker with a tag [NS-ANS]* > > * > > * > > *3- Homework and college's assignment are prevented to be solved here, > only > > if a guidance for a piece of work.* > > > > That's all, hope to follow these rules for good utilizing this list, and > > thanks a lot for all active members for participating in expressing this > > guideline. > > > > > > At the end, we would like to thank Mohit Tahiliani for start following > the > > rules on his reply "[ns] [NS-ANS]: how to change the node color with > energy > > consumption" > > > > Thanks dears, > > hope the best for all of you > > Mariam > > > >
Re: [ns] NS-Users Q-process Guideline
Dear Mariam, Thanks a lot for the conclusion. It looks good to me. But we still have one problem. Where are we going to put this guideline? I mean, most of the new comers would come directly to this page, not reading this guideline. We need a place where we can point them to read this guideline. Best Regards, Teerawat Issariyakul http://www.ns2ultimate.com/ http://www.facebook.com/pages/Teerawat-Issariyakul/358240861417 http://twitter.com/T_Bear http://www.t-issariyakul.blogspot.com http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~teerawat On Aug 14, 2011, at 1:19 AM, Mariam A. Moustafa wrote: > > Salam Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh, > Dears NS-Users > > According to our discussion in the mail of a subject "[VIP] Discussion", We > agreed on these guidelines to effectively manage the question's process on > this mailing list > > Here is the rules: (please mention, if I forget a thing) > --- > > *1- To minimize the trivial question, the asker should search the archiving > first to find the answer else if doesn't exist, kindly pay some efforts and > time to google for the answer else send here!* > * > * > *2- The answer of elaborated questions will be sent for the all user not > only the asker with a tag [NS-ANS]* > * > * > *3- Homework and college's assignment are prevented to be solved here, only > if a guidance for a piece of work.* > > That's all, hope to follow these rules for good utilizing this list, and > thanks a lot for all active members for participating in expressing this > guideline. > > > At the end, we would like to thank Mohit Tahiliani for start following the > rules on his reply "[ns] [NS-ANS]: how to change the node color with energy > consumption" > > Thanks dears, > hope the best for all of you > Mariam >
[ns] NS-Users Q-process Guideline
Salam Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh, Dears NS-Users According to our discussion in the mail of a subject "[VIP] Discussion", We agreed on these guidelines to effectively manage the question's process on this mailing list Here is the rules: (please mention, if I forget a thing) --- *1- To minimize the trivial question, the asker should search the archiving first to find the answer else if doesn't exist, kindly pay some efforts and time to google for the answer else send here!* * * *2- The answer of elaborated questions will be sent for the all user not only the asker with a tag [NS-ANS]* * * *3- Homework and college's assignment are prevented to be solved here, only if a guidance for a piece of work.* That's all, hope to follow these rules for good utilizing this list, and thanks a lot for all active members for participating in expressing this guideline. At the end, we would like to thank Mohit Tahiliani for start following the rules on his reply "[ns] [NS-ANS]: how to change the node color with energy consumption" Thanks dears, hope the best for all of you Mariam
