[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-14 Thread rosspipes
.edu Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:07 Subject: [NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?) Barry Say wrote: "Referring back to the earlier thread, I think Anthony Robb's point in the magazine was that it is possible to play some tunes as either a rant or a reel and he though

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-13 Thread John_Dally
Barry Say wrote: "Referring back to the earlier thread, I think Anthony Robb's point in the magazine was that it is possible to play some tunes as either a rant or a reel and he thought it important to choose the appropriate rhythm when playing in competition." If we have determin

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-13 Thread rosspipes
ld. Hmm. Colin R -Original Message- From: Barry Say <barr...@nspipes.co.uk> To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:54 Subject: [NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?) If anyone is interested they can see a version of the Reel of Tullochgorum at:http://www.nigelg

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-13 Thread Julia . Say
The NPS has a scrapbook of tunes submitted by members for both the first (1936) and second editions (1970) of the first tunebook, mostly duplicated - they were circulated to members for the first edition - but some are in MS. In some cases, composers autograph MS copies. I've just been going th

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-13 Thread Barry Say
If anyone is interested they can see a version of the Reel of Tullochgorum at: http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/tab/tab9/reelt.html Does anyone on this list have access to any music collections which may contain 'Ian Powrie's Selection of Scottish Country Dance Tunes' published by Mozart

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-13 Thread rosspipes
lin R -Original Message- From: Barry Say <barr...@nspipes.co.uk> To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:41 Subject: [NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?) I quote from my original posting,--The Reel of Tullochgorum is almost certainly th

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-12 Thread GibbonsSoinne
The first page Google turned up on 'And they call I Buttercup Joe' said: The words of this music hall song were published in the National Prize Medal Song Book in 1872, and they also appear in an undated copy in the Firth collection in the Bodleian Library, which provides the addi

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-12 Thread Ian Lawther
We mustn't overlook the fact that the the last bar and a half of each part matches "And they call I Buttercup Joe" which is claimed to be a southern English song (but may be a pseudo folk song). Ian Barry Say wrote: I quote from my original posting, -- The Reel of T

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-12 Thread Barry Say
I quote from my original posting, -- The Reel of Tullochgorum is almost certainly the same tune but is reckoned to be in D. It was published by Ian Powrie, apparently in the late 1950s and it seems that he claimed that it was a traditional tune which he had collected.

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-12 Thread Matt Seattle
No-one is saying that Jimmy Allan is the same *tune* as Tullocch Gorum, but that the latter's *title* was applied to the former tune, and possibly before that tune was called Jimmy Allan. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-12 Thread rosspipes
Er, excuse me but am I being a bit thick here or maybe intellectually challenged in not finding any connection between the tune Jimmy Allan and Tullochgorum. First of all they are a different rhythm and secondly the chord structure is different and then basically they do not even sound similar.

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-12 Thread Alan Corkett
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[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-12 Thread Matt Seattle
I've also seen it called Reel of Tullochgorum in one of the modern Taigh na Teud compilations, and just thought it was a mistake, without knowing the Ian Powrie connection. This is also rather strange in that Tullochgorum is a completely separate tune with a long history (and is even

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-01-11 Thread colin
Reading this reminded me of something. Jimmy Allan was the reason I had Bill Hedworth make me a 7 key chanter. I couldn't play it on a simple one and I rather liked the tune. I'd forgotten about that until this reminded me. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Barry Say" To: "nsp"