[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefis...@aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee – £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation – BB £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants’ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, N’land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
Oh, for goodness' sake! Francis On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:41, rosspi...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefis...@aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee – £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation – BB £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants’ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, N’land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
The Halsway Course has regularly been advertised here Colin with many of the same tutors ( including yourself) - what's the difference? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM, [1]rosspi...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: [2]suzefis...@aol.com To: [3]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee -L-230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation BB -L-140 - -L-245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, Nland NE24 3JA 07764 483595 [4]suzefis...@aol.com ___ _ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ _ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -- References 1. mailto:rosspi...@aol.com 2. mailto:suzefis...@aol.com 3. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:suzefis...@aol.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
Yes, for goodness sake. If Susan had come up here and run the course as a Society event that would have been the sensible, non ego- tripping, thing to do especially as she was taking advantage of running it between the Society events of the Competitions and the Concert. A lot of folk beleive it is a Society event because of its position in the calender when it is not. CR -Original Message- From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:56 Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available Oh, for goodness' sake! Francis On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:41, rosspi...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefis...@aol.com To: n...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please conta ct me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee – £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation – BB £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants’ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, N’land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
The difference is that this is a course run by an individual for profit and not an organisation. CR -Original Message- From: Simon James si...@simonjames.net To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:01 Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available The Halsway Course has regularly been advertised here Colin with many of the same tutors ( including yourself) - what's the difference? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM, [1]rosspi...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: [2]suzefis...@aol.com To: [3]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee -L-230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation BB -L-140 - -L-245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, Nland NE24 3JA 07764 483595 [4]suzefis...@aol.com ___ _ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ _ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -- References 1. mailto:rosspi...@aol.com 2. mailto:suzefis...@aol.com 3. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:suzefis...@aol.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
And if (nsp dartmouth) is only for material sanctioned by the NPS, why did we need (NPS discussion). And can I advertise the Manchester group Pipers' day (3rd October) run and risk taken by individuals (no financial support from the NPS) on the (NPS discusion) list. Well I'm going to anyway. Neil - Original Message - From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available Oh, for goodness' sake! Francis On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:41, rosspi...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefis...@aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee – £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation – BB £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants’ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, N’land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
What about some 'give and take' here? What of the business I imagine inevitably generated over the years via the NPS for a professional pipemaker through holding the positions of Chairman of and Technical Adviser to, the Society? Di Jevons - Original Message - From: rosspi...@aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefis...@aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee – £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation – BB £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants’ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, N’land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.51/2297 - Release Date: 08/11/09 18:27:00
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
From Wikipedia: Flaming is a [1]hostile and [2]insulting [3]interaction between [4]Internet users. Flaming usually occurs in the social context of a [5]discussion board, [6]Internet Relay Chat (IRC) or even through [7]e-mail. An Internet user typically generates a flame response to other posts or users posting on a site, and such a response is usually not constructive, does not clarify a discussion, and does not persuade others. Sometimes, flamers attempt to assert their authority, or establish a position of superiority over other users. Other times, a flamer is simply an individual who believes he or she carries the only valid opinion. This leads him or her to [8]personally attack those who disagree. In some cases, flamers wish to upset and offend other members of the forum, in which case they can be called [9]trolls. Most often however, flames are angry or insulting messages transmitted by people who have strong feelings about a subject. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Di Jevons [10...@picklewood.info wrote: What about some 'give and take' here? What of the business I imagine inevitably generated over the years via the NPS for a professional pipemaker through holding the positions of Chairman of and Technical Adviser to, the Society? Di Jevons - Original Message - From: [11]rosspi...@aol.com To: [12]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: [13]suzefis...@aol.com To: [14]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee -L-230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation BB -L-140 - -L-245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, Nland NE24 3JA 07764 483595 [15]suzefis...@aol.com ___ _ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ _ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - [17]www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.51/2297 - Release Date: 08/11/09 18:27:00 -- References 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulting 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interaction 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet 5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_board 6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat 7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail 8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_attacks 9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) 10. mailto:d...@picklewood.info 11. mailto:rosspi...@aol.com 12. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu 13. mailto:suzefis...@aol.com 14. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu 15. mailto:suzefis...@aol.com 16. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 17. http://www.avg.com/
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
By this logic individuals would not be able to advertise pipes for sale on this list. Preposterous! Ian Bartlett New Zealand - Original Message - From: rosspi...@aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:41 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
Those are very reasonable points, Di. I recall, and can quote, a posting by the complainant in which he advertises a set, partly of his own making, on this list. It doesn’t state that the sale is on behalf of anyone else so presumably he intended to keep the money. Nothing wrong with that, and in fact the item would have been of genuine interest at the time. Surely the same applies to Susan Craven’s posting. I have no idea whether Susan received any substantial remuneration for her generous efforts. I doubt it but in fact, thats's none of my business. Or anyone else's. What I do know however, is that the course attracted participants from several countries, was hugely enjoyable and was spoken of afterwards with great appreciation. I have no connection with the event this year, but would encourage any potential participant to sign up for this excellently organised course. A good learning opportunity and wonderfully friendly. Francis On 12 Aug 2009, at 13:23, Di Jevons wrote: What about some 'give and take' here? What of the business I imagine inevitably generated over the years via the NPS for a professional pipemaker through holding the positions of Chairman of and Technical Adviser to, the Society? Di Jevons - Original Message - From: rosspi...@aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefis...@aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee – £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation – BB £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants’ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, N’land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.51/2297 - Release Date: 08/11/09 18:27:00
[NSP] Re: Looking for other NSP players in Suffolk or East Anglia
Many thanks to all who replied, I've given this lots of thought! I really am set on a concert D set of pipes as my primary aim is to play with the many melodeon players that I know and this rather fixes me in D, especially for the majority of the tunes I already play. I am also determined to sing with the pipes, although I acknowledge the potential problems with the strap. Although we have both a chromatic and FC autoharp, the majority of our instruments are DG diatonics or straight D diatonic (Gordon has converted two 'harps by scratch building complete chord bar assemblies for them). Before I finally decide to order a set, is there anyone on the list that may wish to part with a concert D set? I've bought 'harps this way before from another list, Cyberpluckers, and at least we knew the owner had a decent knowledge of the instrument otherwise they wouldn't have contributed to the list. I suspect that this goes double for this list! Alison -Original Message- From: ross.ander...@cl.cam.ac.uk [mailto:rossjander...@googlemail.com] Sent: 09 August 2009 17:30 To: Gordon Brown Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [NSP] Looking for other NSP players in Suffolk or East Anglia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
In any case, the course has now received considerably more advertising than it might otherwise have Clever marketing strategy on someone's part. g Best wishes. Steve On 8/12/09 8:42 AM, Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote: [SNIP] I have no connection with the event this year, but would encourage any potential participant to sign up for this excellently organised course. A good learning opportunity and wonderfully friendly. Francis - Original Message - From: rosspi...@aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefis...@aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation BB £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants¹ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, N¹land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Manchester group of Northumbrian Pipers - Annual Pipers' Day 3rd October 2009
Pipers' day in south Manchester has been a regular event for most of the last 30 years, it's always a good day, so don't forget to book your place. This years tutors are Andrew Davison, Richard and Anita Evans and Adrian Scofield. The day of mainly playing skills workshops will be from 1000 to 1800 hrs at Grove Lane Baptist Church, Pingate Lane South (off Grove Lane), Cheadle Hulme, Cheadle SK8 7NP. Morning coffee, lunch and afternoon tea inclusive. The evening meal and concert from 1830 will be at 'The John Millington' in Cheadle Hulme village. Bookings for the evening meal which is not inclusive will be taken and phoned through during the afternoon. Price of the day is only -L-30 and your place can be booked by contacting Margaret Watt tel: 01484 643773, e-mail [1]marga...@jacksonandwatt.org.uk, postal address 2 Station Road, Golcar, Huddersfield, HD7 4EQ. For more information e-mail me Regards Neil -- References 1. mailto:marga...@jacksonandwatt.org.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
I have been on this dartmouth list for more years than I care to imagine. I have always understood it to be a forum for ANYONE who is interested in the Northumbrian small pipes. A meeting place where we can discuss any topic of general interest relating to the pipes including courses, instruments for sale, contacting long-lost piping friends, helpful hints on maintenance techniques, where to find tunes, etc. In short - anything and everything to do with our hobby/passion/fixation with the pipes. I was very happy when the NSP discussion group was formed because I naively thought that it would take all the dirty linen and go wash it somewhere else so that the rest of us could continue sane discussions about piping topics and leave the backbiting Society members to fratch among themselves. Could we make an effort to separate these two discussion groups? At the moment there is far too much cross-over. Richard I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefis...@aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee – £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation – BB £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants’ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, N’land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
[NSP] Re: Looking for other NSP players in Suffolk or East Anglia
As a non-NSP player who does however play regularly with NSP players I would caution that a concert D set is NOT the obvious choice if you are playing with other instruments whose main keys are G and D. In terms of the range and key of many trad tunes played on other instruments with which you wish to play along, my experience tells me that you would be better off with a concert G set which plays easily in the keys of G and D - and has the notes equivalent to the fiddle's top string (e f# g a b) - rather than a concert D set which plays easily in the keys of D and A and only goes up to f# on the fiddle's top string. I would ask NSP players to comment on the above from their own experience. Matt Seattle On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Gordon Brown [1]gor...@10db.co.uk wrote: Many thanks to all who replied, I've given this lots of thought! I really am set on a concert D set of pipes as my primary aim is to play with the many melodeon players that I know and this rather fixes me in D, especially for the majority of the tunes I already play. I am also determined to sing with the pipes, although I acknowledge the potential problems with the strap. Although we have both a chromatic and FC autoharp, the majority of our instruments are DG diatonics or straight D diatonic (Gordon has converted two 'harps by scratch building complete chord bar assemblies for them). Before I finally decide to order a set, is there anyone on the list that may wish to part with a concert D set? I've bought 'harps this way before from another list, Cyberpluckers, and at least we knew the owner had a decent knowledge of the instrument otherwise they wouldn't have contributed to the list. I suspect that this goes double for this list! Alison -Original Message- From: [2]ross.ander...@cl.cam.ac.uk [mailto:[3]rossjander...@googlemail.com] Sent: 09 August 2009 17:30 To: Gordon Brown Cc: [4]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [NSP] Looking for other NSP players in Suffolk or East Anglia To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:gor...@10db.co.uk 2. mailto:ross.ander...@cl.cam.ac.uk 3. mailto:rossjander...@googlemail.com 4. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Looking for other NSP players in Suffolk or East Anglia
I regularly play a concert D set with other instruments, melodeons concertinas etc and have no problems with the range. I did consider a G set but the hole spacings on the chanter proved a problem for my fingers. C nat keys allow playing in both G and D Geoff Mew -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Seattle Sent: 12 August 2009 14:58 To: Gordon Brown Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Looking for other NSP players in Suffolk or East Anglia As a non-NSP player who does however play regularly with NSP players I would caution that a concert D set is NOT the obvious choice if you are playing with other instruments whose main keys are G and D. In terms of the range and key of many trad tunes played on other instruments with which you wish to play along, my experience tells me that you would be better off with a concert G set which plays easily in the keys of G and D - and has the notes equivalent to the fiddle's top string (e f# g a b) - rather than a concert D set which plays easily in the keys of D and A and only goes up to f# on the fiddle's top string. I would ask NSP players to comment on the above from their own experience. Matt Seattle On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Gordon Brown [1]gor...@10db.co.uk wrote: Many thanks to all who replied, I've given this lots of thought! I really am set on a concert D set of pipes as my primary aim is to play with the many melodeon players that I know and this rather fixes me in D, especially for the majority of the tunes I already play. I am also determined to sing with the pipes, although I acknowledge the potential problems with the strap. Although we have both a chromatic and FC autoharp, the majority of our instruments are DG diatonics or straight D diatonic (Gordon has converted two 'harps by scratch building complete chord bar assemblies for them). Before I finally decide to order a set, is there anyone on the list that may wish to part with a concert D set? I've bought 'harps this way before from another list, Cyberpluckers, and at least we knew the owner had a decent knowledge of the instrument otherwise they wouldn't have contributed to the list. I suspect that this goes double for this list! Alison -Original Message- From: [2]ross.ander...@cl.cam.ac.uk [mailto:[3]rossjander...@googlemail.com] Sent: 09 August 2009 17:30 To: Gordon Brown Cc: [4]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [NSP] Looking for other NSP players in Suffolk or East Anglia To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:gor...@10db.co.uk 2. mailto:ross.ander...@cl.cam.ac.uk 3. mailto:rossjander...@googlemail.com 4. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the person to whom it is addressed. It may be confidential and also legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system immediately. Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, Lawful Business Practice Regulations, any E-mail sent to or from this address may be accessed by someone other than the recipient for system management and security purposes. Senders and recipients should be aware that emails and their contents may have to be disclosed in response to a request made under UK Data Protection and Freedom of Information legislation. This email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. However, Mid Devon District Council does not accept any liability in respect of damage caused by any virus that is not detected. www.middevon.gov.uk
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
I'm, glad someone else aid it first. I wasn't aware that this particular list was only for NPS events and news. I thought it was a general list for anyone interested in any aspect of the pipes. So, if a course is being run and ISN'T held by the NPS we can't read it/post it etc? This puerile twaddle has got to stop before we all leave the list and, the way it's going, the Society too. Please put personal feeling aside and talk pipes and piping. If non-society events can't be discussed, what's the point of us non-Northeasteners bothering to belong to the list. I certainly can't get to Newcastle for an event (too far, too expensive, too ill to travel that distance). OK, if them's the rules How about starting a NEW list where we can discuss ANYTHING to do with piping then? I would agree, however, that this topic would not be permitted in the discussion list (which is for members only). I fail to see how a general, public list (not linked to the NPS as such) can disallow private courses, tutoring, pipe sales etc. I know that certain society members consider themselves a bit of a clique. Most of us don't. We love the pipes (whether we play or not) and enjoy talking about them. I would be most interested to read about, say, KT doing a concert here. Apoplectic fits from many members I suppose. Very sad. This list used to be very open (and I've been here for a long time as well) and honest. Now it's a point-scoring forum. I no longer look forward to reading the mails as I know what's coming. Sorry but I'm really getting fed up with reading the snide remarks these days (plus most is lost on me as I don't know the people concerned). Bah, Humbug... Colin Hill
[NSP] Re: Looking for other NSP players in Suffolk or East Anglia
For playing along with other instruments, I would definitely go for a G set - with the same range as a D whistle. A D set of pipes might suit the range of an mezzo or alto voice better, and does have a mellower tone. G pipes are sometimes a little too reedy and occasionally squeaky. So it depends whether you want to play along with the voice or with other instruments. Singing along with bellows pipes is feasible, I have heard it done, but I can't even talk when I'm playing, even to confirm if I want a cup of tea - others have a similar problem. Perhaps trying to use the same bit of brain twice? John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Seattle Sent: 12 August 2009 14:58 To: Gordon Brown Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Looking for other NSP players in Suffolk or East Anglia As a non-NSP player who does however play regularly with NSP players I would caution that a concert D set is NOT the obvious choice if you are playing with other instruments whose main keys are G and D. In terms of the range and key of many trad tunes played on other instruments with which you wish to play along, my experience tells me that you would be better off with a concert G set which plays easily in the keys of G and D - and has the notes equivalent to the fiddle's top string (e f# g a b) - rather than a concert D set which plays easily in the keys of D and A and only goes up to f# on the fiddle's top string. I would ask NSP players to comment on the above from their own experience. Matt Seattle On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Gordon Brown [1]gor...@10db.co.uk wrote: Many thanks to all who replied, I've given this lots of thought! I really am set on a concert D set of pipes as my primary aim is to play with the many melodeon players that I know and this rather fixes me in D, especially for the majority of the tunes I already play. I am also determined to sing with the pipes, although I acknowledge the potential problems with the strap. Although we have both a chromatic and FC autoharp, the majority of our instruments are DG diatonics or straight D diatonic (Gordon has converted two 'harps by scratch building complete chord bar assemblies for them). Before I finally decide to order a set, is there anyone on the list that may wish to part with a concert D set? I've bought 'harps this way before from another list, Cyberpluckers, and at least we knew the owner had a decent knowledge of the instrument otherwise they wouldn't have contributed to the list. I suspect that this goes double for this list! Alison -Original Message- From: [2]ross.ander...@cl.cam.ac.uk [mailto:[3]rossjander...@googlemail.com] Sent: 09 August 2009 17:30 To: Gordon Brown Cc: [4]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [NSP] Looking for other NSP players in Suffolk or East Anglia To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:gor...@10db.co.uk 2. mailto:ross.ander...@cl.cam.ac.uk 3. mailto:rossjander...@googlemail.com 4. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] list stuff
yup well said, both Colin and Philip It does seem that the tension, verve and perspicacity have dwindled somewhat, what we need is someone to put a bit of dino in the - list again ds Philip Gruar wrote: Well said colin (Hill, of course) I have been reading this list (both lists) over the past month with a growing sense of detatchment and loss of interest. I wonder if I can really be bothered to open any new message, and very likely read yet more griping and point-scoring, or whether just to hit the delete button, and send NPS and NSP alike to join all the other spam. We have had the endless what is proper piping? debate yet again (have the Taliban got an internet discussion list about true Islam, I wonder? If so it must be very similar), continuing point-scoring about the presidency, about the society rules or lack of them, pipe-makers and pipe-making books and what the society has/hasn't/should/shouldn't have done about them, and now this latest extraordinary outburst. The suggested distinction between NPS discussion and NSP (Dartmouth) list isn't really being observed, often because the subject matter applies to both. Personally, I don't bother to look closely at the acronym to see what list a posting is meant for, I still read them all - and I'm sure most of us who have subscribed to both do the same. I used to follow the discussions with interest, and often contribute to them, but the level of debate recently (with a few honourable exceptions) has sunk so low I'm tempted to unsubscribe from both lists. Letting my Society subsciption lapse sometimes seems like a good idea too. Please can we have a Summer recess, or a moratorium or something, and all come back refreshed and nicer people, ready to discuss piping and its music tolerantly and positively? Can we also drop the (failed?) experiment of the NPS discussion list. Some of us ordinary members really don't care any more about the Society's internal battles. Just fight it out among yourselves and let us know the result by old-fashioned snail-mail newsletter when all the blood has been cleaned up. Philip To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Looking for other NSP players in Suffolk or East Anglia
In response to Matt Seattle's message - I have had some possibly relevant experience of playing chanters in D, F, and G. I discovered NSP for the first time a few years ago by rescuing a very old (?1970s) and rather dilapidated secondhand 11-key Burleigh D set from a local music showroom, getting it overhauled by Francis Wood (thank you, Francis!), and by finding a good teacher (Chris Evans) and a welcoming local group in Oxford to play with regularly. So I have never looked back. However, though I love its low timbre, and for singing to (if I could sing) I imagine it would be lovely, the D set actually seldom gets played. Why? Because for social playing with other pipers I immediately realized that a set in D was of no use at all, and that I needed a set in conventional Northumbrian F instead. Having started on an 11-key Burleigh set I moved on recently to a 16-key Ross one, as this has proved to be what I wanted to do all my serious playing on. The standard F tuning has a sweet timbre and I found the chanter setup was kind to the hands. Where concert-pitch playing in my dance band was concerned, I thought my original D set was going to be useful as an alternative to the flute that I usually play, but I was disappointed in finding that it wasn't after all, for exactly the reasons that Matt Seattle outlined. I found it frustrating that I had no notes above top f-sharp and that I could barely play in G at all with my limited transpositional skills. If I were to persevere, as well I might when I can find the time to do some serious practice on it, I do think I would find the D chanter useful in the band for the occaoinal tunes in A that we play, but I actually find that I can play them perfectly well if I want to on the 14-key (Barlow) G set that I eventually had made for playing in the band. So, for what it is worth, my own experience suggests that in choosing an instrument, especially if you just want one, most of the decision is going to be a very personal one, and to turn on what sound you are looking for (low or high) and what you know you will want your pipes to do for you - after which I think the size and proportions of your hands are also worth considering. D pipes do have a lovely mellow timbre, but I found that the drones were heavy and that a small right hand on a D chanter got very tired because the spread between the last three holes is wide and irregular and I hate squeaking, so would end up playing with an unduly tense grip. Such problems do, of course, yield to practice if one is determined. Conversely, the G chanter is small (which happens to suit my hands, though some people with big hands and broad fingertips sometimes say they find G chanters difficult to play neatly). I find the G set also has an inherently high soprano timbre compared with the D chanter's fruity Alto. So it makes a different acoustic contribution. I, personally, have found my Barlow 14-key G chanter beautifully set up f0r hole spacing and extremely versatile in the band, and I play it regularly as a change-instrument from the flute. I hope that helps! best wishes Daphne On 12 Aug 2009, at 14:57, Matt Seattle wrote: As a non-NSP player who does however play regularly with NSP players I would caution that a concert D set is NOT the obvious choice if you are playing with other instruments whose main keys are G and D. In terms of the range and key of many trad tunes played on other instruments with which you wish to play along, my experience tells me that you would be better off with a concert G set which plays easily in the keys of G and D - and has the notes equivalent to the fiddle's top string (e f# g a b) - rather than a concert D set which plays easily in the keys of D and A and only goes up to f# on the fiddle's top string. I would ask NSP players to comment on the above from their own experience. Matt Seattle On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Gordon Brown [1]gor...@10db.co.uk wrote: Many thanks to all who replied, I've given this lots of thought! I really am set on a concert D set of pipes as my primary aim is to play with the many melodeon players that I know and this rather fixes me in D, especially for the majority of the tunes I already play. I am also determined to sing with the pipes, although I acknowledge the potential problems with the strap. Although we have both a chromatic and FC autoharp, the majority of our instruments are DG diatonics or straight D diatonic (Gordon has converted two 'harps by scratch building complete chord bar assemblies for them). Before I finally decide to order a set, is there anyone on the list that may wish to part with a concert D set? I've bought 'harps this way before from another list, Cyberpluckers, and at least we knew the owner had a
[NSP] Re: re composing
the cliff car park at beer - devon written many a tune 2009/8/12 P DUNN [1]p.dun...@btinternet.com Thank you Richard for introducing a non-contentious topic!! Definitely whilst walking for me. I can recommend the walk from Lordenshaws car park to the forestry commission car park, then following the red route up to Simonside, over the top and back down to Lordenshaws. By the time I reach Little Church Rock, something is bubbling away! Regards, Peter. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:p.dun...@btinternet.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] re composing
Thank you Richard for introducing a non-contentious topic!! Definitely whilst walking for me. I can recommend the walk from Lordenshaws car park to the forestry commission car park, then following the red route up to Simonside, over the top and back down to Lordenshaws. By the time I reach Little Church Rock, something is bubbling away! Regards, Peter. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
