[NSP] Re: tchuning

2008-08-28 Thread BRIMOR
Thank you for the reminder, Colin. That explains why my C# , and therefore A major tunes sound better than the C naturel and A minor tunes. I had forgotten that bit! Sheila __ It's only a deal if it's where

[NSP] tchuning

2008-08-28 Thread rosspipes
If you can be bothered to read this after all that has been going on it concerns the use of the 'lug' to tune the chanter and little theory. The notes to be tuned are the three that make up the Major Triad or Doh,MeSo,or Tonic,major Third and Fifth intervals. Start with the G drone on and do

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2008-08-28 Thread Klaus Guhl
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[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Honor Hill
And me...! Honor Hill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please >One frustration in the choyte debate was the >"we-all-know-

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Richard York
There are indeed plenty of things done to folk music... traditional, call it what you will... which I hate, but the meaning I take from him is that at least it gets played, and some versions of it will survive, rather than not happening at all. There will be experiments, some of whic

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Christopher.Birch
>>Of course, the traditional style needs to be mastered first to >>acquire the >>skill to "take it further" otherwise it tends to be "bad playing". > >Indeed. > >>(am I the only person in the world that likes buttered >>peas and hates >>holey halfpenny?). :) > >For listening or playing? And

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Christopher.Birch
Er, not sure I agree with this one... >-Original Message- >From: Richard York [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:22 PM >To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu >Subject: [NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please > > >Greetings! >The celebrated Mr Carthy also said, "The only thin

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Richard York
Thanks, Colin, for this thoughtful message. I've been playing a lot of different music for long enough to say "I agree" to just about everything you say here - exactly the considerations I'll be taking on. I've met just the same debate in other traditional music worlds, and feel that indeed th

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread colin
Richard. First of all you have to make some huge decisions. Which style do you like? Do you want to play traditional competition style or do you want to play "all caution to the wind"? It's a musical instrument and there are several viewpoints. Think of it as Bob Dylan Syndrome. Those old enough

[NSP] Re: chooning

2008-08-28 Thread Wright Allan
No, pianos sound horribly out of tune to me. I don't think I had an excuse really, the whole thing was so new that I wasn't used to the sound, wondered whether it might be technique, didn't see it at first because I was expecting to hear an e and didn't hear one. You're right absolute pitc

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Christopher.Birch
Good old martin. Even further up in my estimation! c >-Original Message- >From: Ian & Carol Bartlett (home account) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:58 AM >To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu >Subject: [NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please > >Hi all > >Chris B wrote:-

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Ian & Carol Bartlett (home account)
Hi all Chris B wrote:- Subject: [NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please This is probably heresy to some, but I think it's arguable that Clough's was only one possible way of playing and the one most approved of at the time. there may be more. There is a difference between "bad" and "different"

[NSP] re- Not Choyting, Advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Richard York
P.S. and my main request was for technique advice. I'm grateful for the information already coming in - thanks! The bit about Kosher-or-not was really the lesser part of my message. Richard. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/in

[NSP] Re: chooning

2008-08-28 Thread Christopher.Birch
> Various "early" wind instruments exist with sliding gadgets for > altering the size of one or more holes on the fly so as to >play in tune > in different keys. Even modern trumpeters will operate a slide with the fourth finger of the right hand to improve intonation. > BTW, if you ar

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Christopher.Birch
I'd go along with all of this. Thanks, Richard, for putting it so eloquently. c >-Original Message- >From: Richard York [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:57 AM >To: NSP Mailing List >Subject: [NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please > >Oh dear - that wasn't what

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Richard York
Oh dear - that wasn't what I meant at all! Just an honest appeal for information which seems to be common knowledge to many, but obscure to me, and I gather, others too. Because I don't know who is truly Outside The Pale I might get the wrong idea, and start thinking wrong things about absolute

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Christopher.Birch
>Used occasionally it's not too >intrusive. I think the hard line taken by Clough, Adrian and >I is really an attempt to reign in some of the worst excesses >of open technique. Nicely put, though I enjoy a good choyte now and then. This is probably heresy to some, but I think it's arguable th

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Christopher.Birch
> So a whispering campaign? > >Is this really a good idea? Frankly no, but what's the alternative? The illuminati and hoy polloi? And how did they get illuminated? (See above?) chirs To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Ormston, Chris
The gracing you describe using a quick f was used frequently by Billy Pigg and others. Used occasionally it's not too intrusive. I think the hard line taken by Clough, Adrian and I is really an attempt to reign in some of the worst excesses of open technique. I'm seriously concerned that the

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Francis Wood
So a whispering campaign? Is this really a good idea? Francis On 28 Aug 2008, at 10:14, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One frustration in the choyte debate was the "we-all-know-who-we're-talking-about" bit - we don't all know, if we're not of the tribe yet. If anyone cares to let me know, on- or o

[NSP] chooning

2008-08-28 Thread Paul Gretton
Chirs wrote: >>>In theory, at least according to some authorities, the nsp chanter is tuned in just intonation (pure >>>intervals sound better against the drones) and of course it can only be perfect in one key. Even if it's >>>"ideally" tuned for G major, you have to decide whethe

[NSP] Re: Not Choyting - advice please

2008-08-28 Thread Christopher.Birch
>One frustration in the choyte debate was the >"we-all-know-who-we're-talking-about" bit - we don't all know, >if we're >not of the tribe yet. If anyone cares to let me know, on- or off-list, >who is Kosher & who isn't, it would be most helpful, and I'll listen >with interest to the recordings

[NSP] Re: chooning

2008-08-28 Thread Christopher.Birch
This is reassuring and the point about the drones is very important. I think it's generally agreed though that beginners should strive to keep the pressure rock steady, is it not? chirs >-Original Message- >From: Ormston, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 200

[NSP] Re: chooning

2008-08-28 Thread Ormston, Chris
"In practice, of course, slight tempering can be applied and pressure tweaked (oops, heresy aaarghh!!)" I'd not consider this heresy at all. I'd bet most competent pipers will (sometimes without even realising they're doing it) make slight adjustments to pressure to get the best tuning from

[NSP] chooning

2008-08-28 Thread Christopher.Birch
Yes, Sheila's right. anyone who got tired of the tuning debate on previous occasions is invited to stop here ;-) Question: Is your absolute pitch in equal temperament. In other words, does a piano sound in tune - especially the thirds? I have nothing approaching absolute pitch but very acute r

[NSP] Re: the cry of the curlew, the wind in the reeds...

2008-08-28 Thread Christopher.Birch
>Jim and Shirley were usually found at Gregson's Well Yep, that's the place. >Tuesday (been >there, sung there) Idem > along with John? Kaneen. > (his nickname was Yogi) Yup. >Cross Keys? Yes, went there as well - the formidable Tony >Wilson in charge >(Bothy ) with his captain's hat. Id