[NSP] Re: bag shape
The bags that Jackie makes are based on my sending him the shape of Burleigh bags which by the 1960's had proved to a good practical shape and size i.e. 21 in length, 9 deep with the bag approx. 12x9 with the neck curving up steeply to avoid pressing against the left arm or wrist. I make the neck length 9 from where the drone stock is tied into the bag. Colin R -Original Message- From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com To: Richard York rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk CC: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 8:33 Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape Hello Richard, Many NSP bags can be slightly rectangular in aspect and the 'corner' near the blowpipe has the potential to annoy some players. If you find that experimentation in managing the bag differently does not help, a good solution would be to order a bag with the profile of that edge smoothed into a broader curve. Enough to make this more comfortable without significantly disturbing the position of the blowpipe stock. Jackie Boyce will make you anything you like. His bags are excellent: http://pipebagmaker.com/ Francis On 26 Jan 2010, at 18:18, Richard York wrote: I'd welcome comments/advice on nsp bag shape, please. There's the conventional shape, and now I learn there's the tear-drop shape. I've been playing other (non Scottish) bagpipes for quite a long time, with various shaped bags, from medieval/renaissance large tear drop, held more in front of the body, to nsp-like but bigger on Jon Swayne D border pipes, and have got used to comfortable with them. I'm still finding my way on nsp's... I suspect this is a life-long state... but find that after some 10 or so minutes of playing I'm getting a restricted left hand movement, as my arm's getting pressure from the bulge of the bag against my forearm where it restricts the blood flow or something; this is a problem I don't get with my other sets. I've tried varying my arm position/bag position/drone angle/position of jaw/general earth energy and leyline alignment etc, but haven't yet cracked the problem. It seems logical to expect that the tear-drop shape, with most of the bag further back under the arm, is going to leave my forearm more relaxed and less pressured. But until you've tried anything you don't know, and I'd like to hear from anyone who has, please, either positive or negative experience of this shape. With thanks, Richard. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: blowpipe
Dear Tim, You clearly show your ignorance in these matters which is not a criticism but just shows the continuing problem of new folk coming into piping who have not sought advice from experienced players and pipemakers like myself. I could have explained all this to you if you had tried not to be so independant as others with the right level of experince and skill could have done. Colin R -Original Message- From: tim rolls BT tim.ro...@btconnect.com To: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com; NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; Richard York rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk Sent: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:55 Subject: [NSP] blowpipe I think bellows blowpipe length is an are well worth looking at. In three years playing I haven't actually owned a set of pipes (although I am now close to a purchase) but have relied on the kindness of others who have lent me sets. Because they were borrowed I felt unable to adjust the pipes to suit my shape. As a result I have played regularly on five different sets, and on three of these I have had problems with the blow pipe separating, sometimes at the designed point, sometimes at another joint. I put this down to having learned a particular comfortable position with my first set, and then failing to adjust to each new set. When I did make such changes to the position of the bag as were necessary for me to play without loss of bellows, I found the new position quite awkward, and as has been said, more effort to play as I could no longer just use the weight of my arm. Unfortunately I didn't take measurements of any of the sets. Although I have observed the necessary shape for a gentleman piper, and I am working towards it, I would still not yet say that I require a massively long blowpipe. What work has been done on blowpipe length, is it purely maker's preference? How many makers measure up a customer before making the pipes? Tim - Original Message - From: Richard York rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk To: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com; NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:19 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: bag shape Thanks greatly to one and all for these - great food for thought here. I'm interested that everyone's addressed the matter of how to make the existing bag shape comfortable, but no-one has offered experience of the tear-drop shape - are they very rare, or just deeply heretical? Meanwhile I shall try every position from armpit downwards for my existing bag, and seriously examine the matter of neck length. Its neck, not mine. (Thanks too, Mike S, for the off-list advice on position photo's - I'll try that.) I imagine, Barry, that bellows blowpipe length also came into your shifts of bag position? Interesting too the matter of which way the seam goes. I was convinced at first that it was the seam which was getting to me, but now think it's the bulge of the square bag shape - as suggested earlier in this string. Thanks Francis too for pointing up the pics on my own website... in fairness in have to say that while the Jon Swayne huge Flemish set and renaissance-type smaller set (both all brown) are comfortable, Jon does make the seam the modern way round. In the case of the massive Flemish set I've had to mend the protective strip on the outside of the seam more than once, as it's stuck rather than stitched in place. The Jim Parr medieval gaita-type ones (black bag, light boxwood) and the little hummelschen both have the seams on the inside and are very comfortable indeed. I've never had problems with the seasoning in them. Best wishes, Richard. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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[NSP] Beginner in California
Are there any members of this list in the Monterey/Santa Cruz area California? I am a beginning player, working with John Liestman's book, and was wondering if there were any other pipers close to me. All the best, Andrew Gilhooley To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: bag shape
rosspi...@aol.com wrote: The bags that Jackie makes are based on my sending him the shape of Burleigh bags which by the 1960's had proved to a good practical shape and size i.e. 21 in length, 9 deep with the bag approx. 12x9 with the neck curving up steeply to avoid pressing against the left arm or wrist. I make the neck length 9 from where the drone stock is tied into the bag. Colin R Just to say that when I need to supplement the bags I make myself, I have always found Jackie to be very accommodating with regard to bag shapes and sizes, though I order several at a time, not one-offs. The dimensions I use are very similar to the above with perhaps a little extra length in the body. -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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