[NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples

2011-11-27 Thread Francis Wood
Colin's interesting account of making staples from sheet metal is a very good reminder that this was the staple [pun unavoidable] method of making staples for historical reeds - they generally relied on the binding to keep them airtight. No reason why that shouldn't work perfectly well today,

[NSP] Re: Alice Burn Emily Hoile

2011-09-16 Thread Francis Wood
Good result, Anthony! This lovely item can be heard for the next 6 days at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b014fj7j Emily and Alice's slot is at 1.09 Francis On 13 Sep 2011, at 22:58, Anthony Robb wrote: Some might be interested to know I sent a couple of tracks recorded recently

[NSP] Re: Alice Burn Emily Hoile

2011-09-16 Thread Francis Wood
On 16 Sep 2011, at 13:18, Richard Shuttleworth wrote: Why did I get Rachmaninov? Richard (Puzzled in Quebec) Because that is the first item on in the programme. For Alice and Emily go to 1.09 (hours and minutes). Good luck Francis To get on or off this list see list information at

[NSP] Re: Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow

2011-09-14 Thread Francis Wood
Thanks, all, for the many interesting and informative responses! Francis On 13 Sep 2011, at 17:54, Francis Wood wrote: The note accompanying the fine tune 'Farewell to Whisky' appearing in the Gow 5th collection states: This tune alludes to prohibiting the making of Whisky in 1799

[NSP] Farewell to Whisky - Niel Gow

2011-09-13 Thread Francis Wood
The note accompanying the fine tune 'Farewell to Whisky' appearing in the Gow 5th collection states: This tune alludes to prohibiting the making of Whisky in 1799. It is expressive of a Highlander's sorrow on being deprived of his favourite beverage. Also in the 5th collection is the remedy to

[NSP] Re: (no subject)

2011-09-09 Thread Francis Wood
Is there an obvious repertoire of tunes for this useful variant? Francis On 8 Sep 2011, at 10:40, Richard York wrote: I wonder when someone will develop the double action bellows - one to inflate the pipes, another to fit a vacuum cleaner attachment, which if you think about it could look

[NSP] Playing with a man-ometer . . .

2011-08-10 Thread Francis Wood
You really have to see this. A great demonstration of playing pressure, from full glory to Pipers' Droop. Especially the ending: http://youtu.be/fPedwnc5e_s Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Our very own . . .

2011-08-06 Thread Francis Wood
A familiar figure appears on the Home Page of the British Library. See under Latest news: http://www.bl.uk/ Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Trivia

2011-08-06 Thread Francis Wood
Since it's August . . . . What tunes does your dog prefer? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Mr Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances

2011-07-17 Thread Francis Wood
as a 'successful essay', what on earth would an unsuccessful essay be like? I look forward to hearing Dave Shaw's recomposition of the piece. We can then compare it with Askew's own. Francis On 17 Jul 2011, at 13:47, Dave Shaw wrote: Francis Wood said; I must say, I greatly prefer Gilbert Askew's re

[NSP] Re: Mr Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances

2011-07-17 Thread Francis Wood
On 17 Jul 2011, at 14:10, Francis Wood quoted John Gibbons: If the NPS offered a trophy of a silver cup full of beer for anyone playing W on the W verbatim from memory . . . ., Just as an afterthought, John, . . . were you suggesting that the cup full of beer be awarded before, or after

[NSP] Re: Mr Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances

2011-07-17 Thread Francis Wood
On 17 Jul 2011, at 13:47, Dave Shaw wrote: The question must therefore be why did Askew choose to re-write the tune or could he not see what should have been staring him in the face either. Perhaps there are two distinct questions here. So here's an attempt at two answers: - The

[NSP] Re: Mr Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances

2011-07-16 Thread Francis Wood
, at 23:11, Dave Shaw wrote: Francis Wood wrote; I'm not convinced that this is anything else other than nonsense. It starts familiarly but then goes completely mad ( a brief allusion to 'Il est né, le Divin Enfant' creeps in) and goes all over the place. I agree, though . . . a very

[NSP] Re: Shield's H'pipe

2011-07-15 Thread Francis Wood
On 15 Jul 2011, at 09:48, Matt Seattle wrote: I am fascinated by the 'soup' that accompanies traditional tunes, the lore which has its own reality but is different from 'facts'. It is not inconceivable that Shield composed the Morpeth Rant; I have seen no evidence that convinces me he

[NSP] Re: Shield's H'pipe

2011-07-15 Thread Francis Wood
On 15 Jul 2011, at 10:41, Francis Wood wrote: Few people would now play Miss Forbes' Farewell to Banff at the speed Isaac Cooper intended it, as a slow song. I think history and evolution have been fairly kind to Isaac Cooper. A lively 'Miss Forbes' Farewell' is a cracking tune! Other

[NSP] Re: Shield's H'pipe

2011-07-15 Thread Francis Wood
On 15 Jul 2011, at 10:41, Francis Wood wrote: Finally, there is an odd, tenuous and completely inconsequential connection between Shield and Morpeth. . . . .and another odd, inconsequential and irrelevant fact in the present discussion. Shield is buried under the same stone as Salomon who

[NSP] Re: Mr Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances

2011-07-15 Thread Francis Wood
scene agree? Francis On 15 Jul 2011, at 11:55, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: Quoting Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com: Another 'traditional' tune, J.L Dunk's Whin Shields on the Wall was unplayable nonsense when given to the NPS in a literate-looking but impossible manuscript

[NSP] Re: Shield's H'pipe

2011-07-15 Thread Francis Wood
On 15 Jul 2011, at 14:48, Dave S wrote: The Arethusa is from a musical farce called Lock and Key and in the British Minstrelsy the melody is assigned to Shield. Hi Dave, That's interesting! More here: http://www.contemplator.com/sea/arethusa.html Francis To get on or off this list

[NSP] Re: Mr Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances

2011-07-15 Thread Francis Wood
On 15 Jul 2011, at 16:59, Gibbons, John wrote: But it's so free-form that it sounds like he was drunk when he wrote it. H . . . Dunk and disorderly. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Shield's H'pipe

2011-07-15 Thread Francis Wood
On 15 Jul 2011, at 12:29, Francis Wood wrote: . . .and another odd, inconsequential and irrelevant fact in the present discussion. Shield is buried under the same stone as Salomon who 'brought Haydn to England' as the inscription states: . . . Even more oddly, inconsequentially

[NSP] Re: Rants again

2011-07-11 Thread Francis Wood
On 11 Jul 2011, at 13:05, Gibbons, John wrote: Are there any essential stylistic features that this attempt at a description misses? Wiktionary helpfully gives: From Dutch ranten, randen (“talk nonsense, rave”). Can anybody help to clarify the difference between a Rant and a Rave? Or at

[NSP] Re: PS Forum

2011-07-04 Thread Francis Wood
there be two forums? Are they both open to the general public? Many thanks, John On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:03 PM, smallpi...@machineconcepts.co.uk wrote: And an even better case for posting it on the NPS forum (its open to non members) Quoting Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com

[NSP] Re: Another Roxburgh Castle

2011-07-04 Thread Francis Wood
On 4 Jul 2011, at 08:10, Edric Ellis wrote: Here's my somewhat plodding effort. I really like this. Very neat, very musical. Actually, I prefer the tune un-ranted, though I've enjoyed the other versions. I recorded this mostly so I could listen back for my own education, As Robert Burns

[NSP] Re: Roxborough Castle TOTM

2011-07-04 Thread Francis Wood
Wot, no comments? This certainly deserves some appreciation! Nice account, John. Very toe-tapping. I particularly admire your very economical finger movements. A very good basis for effective closed-fingering and it certainly shows up well in the playing here. Congratulations! Francis

[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] Re: PS Forum

2011-07-04 Thread Francis Wood
That would work very efficiently . . . in fact, probably too efficiently. Wouldn't it be better to leave it to the individual writer to decide whether they want their addition to the forum announced on Dartmouth? And isn't there a facility for the individual reader to opt in to an email alert

[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] NSP Lists duplication

2011-07-04 Thread Francis Wood
Thanks Julia. A really helpful response. I'm in favour of your suggestions. Francis On 4 Jul 2011, at 14:23, Julia Say wrote: On 4 Jul 2011, Francis Wood wrote: The Dartmouth list is for anyone interested in Northmbrian Small-pipes. It is administered and monitored entirely from

[NSP] Re: Breaking a promise

2011-07-03 Thread Francis Wood
Dear Anthony, I should probably keep out of this. However . . . So I've just re-read this from a few days ago: I am the vile editor of the NPS Journal who changed the title of Anthony's article without his consent and I have apologized to him privately and will publish a full apology in

[NSP] Re: Re:

2011-07-01 Thread Francis Wood
On 1 Jul 2011, at 20:39, david...@pt.lu wrote: How about posting the article here? There are lots of people who are interested but are not NPS members Hi Dave, I think you've made quite a good case here for joining the NPS. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at

[NSP] Re: Your Video

2011-07-01 Thread Francis Wood
On 1 Jul 2011, at 21:44, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: However, how long does video persist on Utube? Easy for the account holder to remove videos from YouTube videos , as the help pages indicate. Will our hesitant attempts at playing still be floating in the ethernet in 2525.

[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle

2011-06-30 Thread Francis Wood
On 30 Jun 2011, at 08:15, John Dally wrote: Here are a couple of youtube items that already fit the bill for July. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHBO8CGAIeQfeature=related [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKC0ZoVqfzUNR=1 What's your take on the tune? Hi John, Two very

[NSP] Re: the man with the tin ear

2011-06-30 Thread Francis Wood
On 30 Jun 2011, at 09:22, smallpi...@machineconcepts.co.uk wrote: I agree with francis. Another mangalisation this time using the Uillean pipes as the weapon of choice. http://www.youtube.com/user/disinpass#p/a/u/0/dkK4_tcPaG8 And, guessing from the size of those arms, he's using the UP

[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle

2011-06-30 Thread Francis Wood
, at 11:50, Anthony Robb wrote: -- On Thu, 30/6/11, Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote: It's a lot easier to play Roxborough Castle in dotted rhythm, as is done here. I prefer it played absolutely straight, which is really very challenging. A commonly played tune which

[NSP] Re: KVR online

2011-06-29 Thread Francis Wood
On 29 Jun 2011, at 18:06, Julia Say wrote: I see the copy digitised was donated to NLS by Dorothea Ruggles-Brise - she of pulling Dixon out of the flames fame. Not famous enough for me to have heard of her . . . so what's the rest of this interesting story? Francis To get on or off

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-27 Thread Francis Wood
On 24 Jun 2011, at 12:24, cwhill wrote: Imagine some guy sitting watching his goats playing a shawm, getting out of breath (and they do take a lot of puff) and thinking I have a cunning plan. Hi Colin and all, Goats are pretty clever creatures and apparently have been playing bagpipes

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-27 Thread Francis Wood
On 26 Jun 2011, at 13:23, cwhill wrote: I wonder what the bag is made from then - a shepherd perhaps? Interesting idea! Perhaps make shepherds pie from the other bits? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Was Mr. Fenwick right?

2011-06-23 Thread Francis Wood
Hello Barry and others, Well this is certainly interesting. Firstly can anyone (i.e you, Julia!) throw any light on Fenwick his background? Was Mr. Fenwick right? I think he was, in the 1885 context of the aims of that tutor and the unfamiliarity of the instrument. I would suggest a

[NSP] Re: Was Mr. Fenwick right?

2011-06-23 Thread Francis Wood
On 23 Jun 2011, at 11:20, Julia Say wrote: The most important thing in a tune is the spaces between the notes, not the notes themselves. This is also consistent with the musical principles of the composer Bruno Heinz Jaja, demonstrated by the musicologists Dr Klauss Domgraf-Fassbaender

[NSP] Re: Was Mr. Fenwick right?

2011-06-23 Thread Francis Wood
On 23 Jun 2011, at 12:01, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: Fassbender offers some grudging compliment to Schoenberg So he does! The essential difference between Schoenberg and Proper Piping is that in his case it was a 12 tone row, whereas in the recent discussion (Proper Peacock Piping) it

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-22 Thread Francis Wood
On 22 Jun 2011, at 09:31, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: Word's spellchequer used to suggest fellated for filleted. Further light has thus been thrown on the term 'codpiece' Francis To get on or off this list see list information at

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-22 Thread Francis Wood
On 22 Jun 2011, at 09:39, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: What would you say was the opposite of legato. Ooooh, I'm not going there!! Saying that something is _not_ the opposite of another is only one assertion. Saying what _is_ an opposite requires a number of bold and foolhardy

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-21 Thread Francis Wood
On 21 Jun 2011, at 10:38, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: now that I'm emerging from the doldrums Doldra, surely? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-21 Thread Francis Wood
Hello Julia and others, I like this reply very much. This has been a good thread and a great endorsement of the varied interests which emerge from and return to the discussion of our favourite instrument. It's also a good demonstration of both the value and the disadvantages of this list

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-21 Thread Francis Wood
On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:54, Tim Rolls wrote: Popapoms would be the Australian version then? Well, which country is this? : Poppadom, Poppadom Pom Pom Pom . . . Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-21 Thread Francis Wood
P On 21 Jun 2011, at 15:51, Richard York wrote: Then there's the Beethoven version- poppopaDOM Or this, anyone? Poppadom, Poppadom, Poppadom-pom ? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-21 Thread Francis Wood
On 21 Jun 2011, at 23:13, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: PS my spellchecker offered as alternatives to 'stratocaster': 'toastmaster' or castrated. Ah! the wonders of a digital age. Don't know about 'toastmaster', but 'castrated' is a proper musical term. In Italian, that is. More seriously,

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-20 Thread Francis Wood
On 20 Jun 2011, at 09:34, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: However, I think we differ over the harpsichord's ability to play 'long-sustained'. I was having this discussion with my wife the other day (she plays keyboards rather better than I can), so I went to the harpsichord

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-17 Thread Francis Wood
On 17 Jun 2011, at 09:24, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: I reckon being dead is an even greater impediment to hearing them played now. Well, if he hadn't been the late Beethoven, how could he have composed the Late Quartets? Francis To get on or off this list see list information

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-17 Thread Francis Wood
On 17 Jun 2011, at 12:39, cwhill wrote: I'm thinking here of the closed fingering techniques, one finger off at a time, no choyting etc. Hi Colin and others, The closed-fingering technique derives much more from the nature of the instrument rather than any opinions about style. Since the

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-17 Thread Francis Wood
Hello Richard, I think we pretty much agree. Who, for example, would want to play Rothbury Hills in a staccato manner? (Who, indeed would want to play RH in any manner whatsoever, some might interject.) However it was composed by a significant piper who happened to be the official piper to

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-17 Thread Francis Wood
On 17 Jun 2011, at 14:14, ch...@harris405.plus.com wrote: The Uilleann pipe chanter can be, and often is, played closed, by resting the chanter on the knee. It's possible, but more difficult, to get just as clean, detatched playing as with nsp. However this isn't seen as a fundamental

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-17 Thread Francis Wood
On 17 Jun 2011, at 21:44, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: The sound of skeletons copulating on a corrugated tin roof. Rattling the parrot's cage with a toasting fork is another. What a good thing nobody would ever say anything so cruel about our magnificent instrument. Positive remarks only,

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-17 Thread Francis Wood
Positive remarks only, about it's neatness of execution. When I said it's, I hope it's obvious that its real meaning was its. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-17 Thread Francis Wood
On 17 Jun 2011, at 22:26, Francis Wood wrote: 'NSP's coming out of a pod. Or rather, NSP's coming out of an iPod. You hear it every day on the Metro, surely? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: divorce

2011-06-16 Thread Francis Wood
Hello Dave and others, I see things a little differently. Two things have happened here, the first being a move to have opinions, information and other resources made permanently available in the form of a forum. This is currently happening in the NPS Forum and the Traditional NSP Forum

[NSP] Re: Dartmouth

2011-06-11 Thread Francis Wood
Well the day the NPS starts dictating how I have to play my pipes will be the day I pick up my chanter and drones and go home. I certainly don't want any elders of that church telling me about being boiled eternally in hot oil (of any variety) because of my fingering technique - (forgive me)

[NSP] Re: Ovingham Goose Fair

2011-06-01 Thread Francis Wood
Without wishing to disadvantage any geese, might this be an opportunity to resolve the recent discussion on Facebook concerning the use of goose quills as drone reeds? Francis On 1 Jun 2011, at 09:23, Julia Say wrote: Could anyone planning on coming to this (Sat 18 June) a) let me know

[NSP] Re: Pipes concerts etc.

2011-05-29 Thread Francis Wood
On 29 May 2011, at 09:40, Anthony Robb wrote: It's such a pity that this part of the tradition (which was in some ways a truer and longer tradition than the Clough one) is not only ignored but actively denied in some quarters. Someone once said 'A language is a dialect with an army'.

[NSP] Differences in Tradition

2011-05-29 Thread Francis Wood
On December 10, 1929, Stanley Kennedy North gave a talk to the Musical association in London. With him was Tom Clough who played his own 17 key chanter. Kennedy North had brought an unfinished 18 key chanter (additional G key) which he was himself making. However on this occasion he played a 7

[NSP] Re: Rules

2011-05-28 Thread Francis Wood
On 28 May 2011, at 00:13, Julia Say wrote: They are also well aware that there is a playing tradition that we all strive to continue and develop, each in our different way. I agree . . . a case of taking the Clough with the Smooth really. Francis To get on or off this list see list

[NSP] Re: Proper piping group

2011-05-27 Thread Francis Wood
Hi Richards (both of you good folk!) I rather agree with Adrian that this kind of discussion is best held in a dedicated area. Some people are passionately interested in this aspect of piping, whilst others will find it totally boring. The problem with Dartmouth is that it is very difficult

[NSP] Re: new group

2011-05-24 Thread Francis Wood
On 24 May 2011, at 08:25, Anthony Robb wrote: Are they rivalists as well as revivalists? Oh, just taking a detached view . . . For enquiring minds the best demonstration of true detached fingering technique is Helen Fish's admirable video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7paLft9_ms

[NSP] Re: tune of the month

2011-05-24 Thread Francis Wood
Since I've never felt the urge to compete, perhaps I shouldn't really comment. But from what I've observed, the competition element in the NSP world is nothing like that in GHB piping. It seems to me that NSP competition is far more about participation in traditional events and receiving some

[NSP] Re: tune of the month

2011-05-24 Thread Francis Wood
On 24 May 2011, at 11:04, Gibbons, John wrote: Free-reed instruments in Europe are only a half-century or less younger than keyed NSP, mind Well OK . . a good point. But concertinas were infants at a time when smallpipes had an ancient lineage! Francis To get on or off this list

[NSP] Re: re-Tune of the Month

2011-05-24 Thread Francis Wood
On 24 May 2011, at 13:12, Richard York wrote: Love and piece indeed... did you have any particular piece in mind this month, Francis? Well, as a matter of fact, yes! The last 'piece' I played was 'Handel's Water Piece', a duet arrangement of Handels 2nd Water Music Suite (the Ouverture),

[NSP] Re: new group

2011-05-24 Thread Francis Wood
On 24 May 2011, at 20:24, Matthew Boris wrote: I'm sensing a Judean Peoples' Front vs. Peoples' Front of Judea schism here... Excellent! What has the NPS ever done for us ? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at

[NSP] Re: new group

2011-05-23 Thread Francis Wood
On 23 May 2011, at 21:28, Mark Stayton wrote: Is this different than the Proper Northumbrian Pipers group? It's a slightly different chapel but we worship the same God. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Alice Burn

2011-05-20 Thread Francis Wood
On 19 May 2011, at 22:28, Anthony Robb wrote: Here she is playing with Emily Hoile at the Chantry Museum last night Definitely the right kind of Hoile . . . Lovely item, Anthony! Got any more? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at

[NSP] Re: Heavy pipes

2011-05-18 Thread Francis Wood
Saves messing around with those fiddly reed things. And you can probably play in E maj. No problem! Francis On 18 May 2011, at 09:33, Tim Rolls wrote: Hi All, Fed up with carrying around those heavy old Northumbrian smallpipes in their bag? Learn to play the Scottish smallpipes instead.

[NSP] Re: Cocks Bryan Book for sale

2011-05-18 Thread Francis Wood
On 18 May 2011, at 09:05, Julia Say wrote: There was also a lively discussion with another person at the time as to whether it was adequate. I can imagine that it was lively! But as to whether or not any pipe-making book can be adequate, that depends entirely on what one expects. A good

[NSP] Re: Wishful thinking or feasible science?

2011-05-12 Thread Francis Wood
On 12 May 2011, at 16:00, cal...@aol.com wrote: You'll note that flutes, shawms, sackbutts (gotta love that name) and other instruments that are directly mouth-blown are far more prone to cracking, Flutes and shawms, yes. But sackbutts, definitely no! Francis To get on or off this

[NSP] Re: even more on G and D

2011-05-10 Thread Francis Wood
On 10 May 2011, at 14:08, Rob Say wrote: My thought is that there aren't enough long chanters and extended range players to form a solid judgement at the moment. I agree totally, Rob. And would add only this: that there are even fewer'extended range players' than there are 'long chanters'.

[NSP] Re: Historical image of John Dunn, John Peacock?

2011-05-04 Thread Francis Wood
On 4 May 2011, at 09:52, Matt Seattle wrote: Also, I wonder whether the keywork added by Dunn was 'chromatic' at this stage, but others will know more about this than I do. Hi Matt, I think the problem with this text is that it allows some ambiguity. It's true that Dunn was the first to

[NSP] Re: Tuning/pitch

2011-02-11 Thread Francis Wood
Paul, if you mean acoustic effects . . . probably nothing audibly detectable resulting from minor warping. If the warping has resulted in a mismatch between the tenon and socket, permitting a small leak, that's another matter. It would probably be true to say that all wooden artefacts warp, as

[NSP] Re: Tuning/pitch

2011-02-11 Thread Francis Wood
indications are that it is excellent! Bob - Original Message - From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com To: julia@nspipes.co.uk Cc: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:38 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Tuning/pitch On 10 Feb 2011, at 13:43

[NSP] Re: Tuning/pitch

2011-02-10 Thread Francis Wood
Interesting speculation there, Julia. One notable thought is the difference between modern and earlier-centuries perception of this matter of the work marks in the bore. They are very common in Reid instruments which all show an extraordinary degree of craftsmanship. I've just had a look

[NSP] Re: Tuning/pitch

2011-02-10 Thread Francis Wood
On 10 Feb 2011, at 13:43, Julia Say wrote: a small depression could surely catch a sound wave at a funny angle and cause it to behave in a less than theoretically perfect manner It's really much more like the effect caused by a tiny irregularity in a tooth. It seems massively more

[NSP] Re: Tuning/pitch

2011-02-09 Thread Francis Wood
On 9 Feb 2011, at 07:20, Paul Gretton wrote: So in fact the variety of pitches for the NSP is extremely traditional! Two hundred years ago it wouldn't have been thought in any way remarkable. Hello Paul and others, I must say, I disagree here. It's often forgotten that the the NSP of two

[NSP] Re: Tuning/pitch

2011-02-09 Thread Francis Wood
On 9 Feb 2011, at 15:11, Paul Gretton wrote: I would assume that the Reids worked to a chosen pitch standard in the same way as did Silbermann or - more relevant here - the Hotteterre gang. And at least the Hotteterre gang had the sense to pitch their instruments a whole tone below modern

[NSP] Re: Tuning/pitch

2011-02-09 Thread Francis Wood
On 9 Feb 2011, at 16:02, Anthony Robb wrote: Hello Francis, John and others with the stamina to keep reading this, The puzzling thing is that we have had two reports in recent postings of Reid sets happy to play up near F# (for example Billy Pigg) and yet Andrew Davison's Reid set

[NSP] Re: Esoteric tuning relationships

2011-02-09 Thread Francis Wood
(for anyone puzzled by this discussion, one cent is 1/00 th of a semitone. So 20 cents is 1/10th of a whole tone, or 1/10th of the difference between C and D.That's not a subtle difference, of course!) On 7 Feb 2011, at 17:26, Julia Say wrote: Shortly after Andrew Davison took over the 17 key

[NSP] Re: Esoteric tuning relationships

2011-02-07 Thread Francis Wood
On 7 Feb 2011, at 13:03, Gibbons, John wrote: Reid pipes were generally made sharper than the current F+; close to modern F# in many cases, so Francis and Graham tell me. Yes, that's right. Or to be more precise, Reid pipes play most happily at F# using (and insert italics here) the most

[NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads

2011-01-17 Thread Francis Wood
On 17 Jan 2011, at 13:00, Margaret Watchorn wrote: I suspect both these tunes are based on the old north Northumbrian air 'The Throttlin' of the Reeds/Reids' Margaret, I think you're probably right. The problem with Rotting of The Cotton Threads is the question: why would anyone want to do

[NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads

2011-01-16 Thread Francis Wood
, Richard. On 15/01/2011 00:07, Francis Wood wrote: A Strathspey, surely? Francis On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http

[NSP] Re: Shellac

2011-01-15 Thread Francis Wood
Paul, this largely depends on what the pipe-maker has used in the first place. Shellac would be an appropriate material for antique pipes, fulfilling two functions, both as an adhesive and a gap-filler. In this case the material would be solid shellac rather than in solution which will

[NSP] Re: Shellac

2011-01-15 Thread Francis Wood
On 15 Jan 2011, at 14:44, Paul Scott wrote: It is a set made in the 70's by my godfather who followed Colin ross's designs and advice. I used a hot hair dryer and pliers to pull off the ferrule and I think there is shellac underneath. So if I applied the solution and then allowed it to

[NSP] Re: [nsp] re-conditioning ...

2011-01-14 Thread Francis Wood
On 14 Jan 2011, at 11:31, Julia Say replied: ( a while ago i remember there was some discussion of oils. . .) And then another one, and then another one. Its one of the recurrent topics. It's one of those things that has no definitive answer. Almost every option has a

[NSP] Re: rotting of the cotton threads

2011-01-14 Thread Francis Wood
On 14 Jan 2011, at 20:07, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: If we are going to discuss possible effects of mineral oil (liquid paraffin) on thread Yes, there's been a lot of interesting discussion about that but why on earth would anyone want to use liquid lubricant on thread or anywhere else

[NSP] Re: Rotting of The Cotton Threads

2011-01-14 Thread Francis Wood
A Strathspey, surely? Francis On 14 Jan 2011, at 23:57, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Intonation

2011-01-12 Thread Francis Wood
, Francis Wood wrote: Colin, are you using composite drone reeds or all-cane ones? Adjustment techniques will, of course differ. Whatever you're using, I'd check the drone itself as a priority, checking that everything is sealing correctly (tuning beads are often suspect), that the bore is clean

[NSP] Re: Intonation

2011-01-11 Thread Francis Wood
Colin, are you using composite drone reeds or all-cane ones? Adjustment techniques will, of course differ. Whatever you're using, I'd check the drone itself as a priority, checking that everything is sealing correctly (tuning beads are often suspect), that the bore is clean and smooth, and

[NSP] Re: Like never before

2011-01-08 Thread Francis Wood
On 7 Jan 2011, at 23:56, Gibbons, John wrote: I will be going back to the site for a 2nd helping once the headache's gone away. This is what happens. After the initial shock you go back. In my case, quite a lot. It's best heard on Spotify, though all the tracks can be downloaded here:

[NSP] Re: Like never before

2011-01-08 Thread Francis Wood
On 8 Jan 2011, at 10:11, Julia Say wrote: N'brian music with pizzazz. Or as it is known in my immediate circle, with b*ks. Music with Rocks in... (Pratchett!) Well said! And passion. So sadly lacking in some places I can far too easily think of. Whoever it is has a huge enthusiasm

[NSP] Re: A 70 cent divergence

2011-01-08 Thread Francis Wood
On 8 Jan 2011, at 14:37, Alan Corkett wrote: Adults with amusia Now then. Does this describe an absence of any sense of humour? 'The Ill -Tempered Piper' perhaps? As for drones, can't someone develop the Hard Anger pipes. Same as NSP's mostly. Except that the drones are in tune Francis

[NSP] Re: Drone Tuning

2011-01-07 Thread Francis Wood
Colin, the thing you recall is Rob Say's Northumbrian Smallpipes Simulator: http://www.milecastle27.co.uk/simulator/ I'm sure that Rob might reply himself, omitting to say how absolutely brilliant it is. So I shall do so instead. Francis On 7 Jan 2011, at 18:53, Colin wrote: This talk of

[NSP] Like never before

2011-01-07 Thread Francis Wood
Two hornpipes as you've never heard them before - The Wordsfail Hornpipe followed by Loudrocks. http://stash.alonetone.com/mp3/13649/Redesdale_Proudlocks_Hesleyside-WyrDGeneS.mp3 I must say, I really like this. To find out more, Google 'Wyrdgenes' Francis To get on or off this list see

[NSP] Re: Doubleday

2010-12-21 Thread Francis Wood
I think the discussion was really about the best that can be heard in Northumbrian piping. Random timing and poor intonation can be heard in abundance whatever the instrument and has nothing to do with NSPs in particular. Rather than dwelling any further on mediocre musicality, I'd rather

[NSP] Re: Doubleday et al

2010-12-19 Thread Francis Wood
On 19 Dec 2010, at 12:55, Richard York wrote: It would be interesting to know how many people, either within the North Eastern fold or out of it, were first inspired by hearing Mr Pigg's playing, though. Well, me for a start. Knowing almost nothing about traditional music, and never

[NSP] Re: WHW

2010-12-19 Thread Francis Wood
On 19 Dec 2010, at 15:47, Gibbons, John wrote: Good luck to any intrepid souls attempting the yomp on Boxing Day! It might be a chilly one! Yes, it will depend on the conditions. Title for a new march there . . . 'Yomp and Circumstance March' perhaps? Francis with apologies To get on

[NSP] Re: key question

2010-12-17 Thread Francis Wood
On 17 Dec 2010, at 16:44, Tim Rolls wrote: Discuss! One of the most remarkable qualities of this paper is Doubleday's extraordinary talent for using a colossal number of words to say absolutely nothing of any importance. A very narrow bore, in my view. Perhaps I'm being too unkind to him.

[NSP] Re: key question

2010-12-15 Thread Francis Wood
On 15 Dec 2010, at 12:05, Gibbons, John wrote: But Rob illustrates a simple feather duster - the 17 keyed ones are musically far more versatile... Is that a Peacock feather duster? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at

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