[NSP] Re: Concerts in France

2011-05-29 Thread Paul Gretton
The link via the Union Flag button doesn't work but the translation follows the French. It's hilarious! Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Richard York Sent: 29 May 2011 10:30 To: NSP group Subject

[NSP] Re: Tuning/pitch

2011-02-09 Thread Paul Gretton
that the Reids worked to a chosen pitch standard in the same way as did Silbermann or - more relevant here - the Hotteterre gang. Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood Sent: 09 February 2011 10:31

[NSP] Re: Tuning/pitch

2011-02-08 Thread Paul Gretton
differing lengths and hole placements for tuning to different pitch standards. So in fact the variety of pitches for the NSP is extremely traditional! Two hundred years ago it wouldn't have been thought in any way remarkable. Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute

[NSP] Re: Bewicks German Spa

2011-02-01 Thread Paul Gretton
Quite a bit of info at http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/GEO_GH.htm Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Doubleday

2010-12-20 Thread Paul Gretton
organ for harpsichord (although both instruments can change their registration, which in a sense is changing the dynamics, i.e. terraced dynamics). Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood Sent

[NSP] Re: Bag cloth

2010-08-12 Thread Paul Gretton
This might just explain why the Dutch for the silly season is ...errm... cucumber time (komkommertijd). ;-) Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood Sent: 12 August 2010 18:42 To: Richard

[NSP] Re: The Grand Chain

2010-07-08 Thread Paul Gretton
that will almost certainly have been on Channel 4. Lovely film! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombon_%28film%29 Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of cal...@aol.com Sent: donderdag 8 juli 2010 17:54 To: nsp

[NSP] pipe cases

2010-02-19 Thread Paul Gretton
the two parts. This makes the woodwork much simpler and you get a more accurate joint. I was only alerted to this AFTER already building a couple of cases. D'oh... J Cheers, Paul Gretton -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute

[NSP] Re: pipe cases

2010-02-18 Thread Paul Gretton
cushions. Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: pipe cases

2010-02-18 Thread Paul Gretton
is that the bigger the diameter, the greater the length you have to buy. At that diameter, you might need to buy thirty feet! Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Musette drawings

2010-02-11 Thread Paul Gretton
/index.html Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments

2010-02-07 Thread Paul Gretton
, despite a classical musical education. But I like this mix.) :-) Richard. Nice one, Richard. But did you know that a recent survey showed that 96.83% of people who say that they don't like Wagner's operas have never actually heard or attended one? ;-) Cheers, Paul Gretton (who just this morning

[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation

2010-02-06 Thread Paul Gretton
___ From: Paul Gretton [mailto:i...@gretton-willems.com] Sent: 06 February 2010 11:00 To: 'Anthony Robb' Subject: RE: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation I don't actually want to reply to this but I can hardly

[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation

2010-02-05 Thread Paul Gretton
There's a youtube of Maureen Hegarty singing a particularly attractive version at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 , with a link to her own youtube with her singing a lot of other Irish classics. particularly attractive ? LOL! How about Make sure you have a barf bag handy before you

[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation

2010-02-05 Thread Paul Gretton
Which I of course did -- pretty sharpish. But this is a forum for DISCUSSING things. A contributor expressed his opinion and I did the same. Don't let it bother you! ;-) Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf

[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation - pedantry warning

2010-02-05 Thread Paul Gretton
in any case prefer us to use Persian.) Cheers, Nasty (and pedantic) Paul Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu Sent: 05 February 2010 11:40 To: anth...@robbpipes.com; nsp

[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation

2010-02-05 Thread Paul Gretton
Of Anthony Robb Sent: 05 February 2010 17:20 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; Paul Gretton Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation Since when did gratuitous nastiness become discussion? There are polite/witty ways of giving an opinion. Being cruelly revolting about a piece that truly speaks

[NSP] musette

2009-12-05 Thread Paul Gretton
This should be of interest: [1]http://www.youtube.com/user/pipensack#p/a/f/1/2OVYA-DJ_og Cheers, Paul Gretton -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/user/pipensack#p/a/f/1/2OVYA-DJ_og To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc

[NSP] Re: musette

2009-12-05 Thread Paul Gretton
Actually, that's what I meant to link to! Here's the direct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OVYA-DJ_og Cheeers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood Sent: 05 December 2009 10:44 To: Paul

[NSP] Re: [BULK] Re: [nsp] file

2009-11-02 Thread Paul Gretton
/Prince_Philip_Movement). Of course Philip did descend from the heavens in a helicopter, and I see you more as a 2CV kind of chap. (I suppose I'd better put in a smiley here.) :-) Cheers, Paul Gretton From: Anthony

[NSP] Re: [BULK] Re: [nsp] file

2009-11-01 Thread Paul Gretton
Handel festivals and organisations like the Huddersfield Choral Society. Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: [BULK] Re: [nsp] file

2009-11-01 Thread Paul Gretton
It just occurred to me that I ought to have added: To get an idea of the culture that fostered musical literacy even among very ordinary people, just read D.H. Lawrence, specifically Sons and Lovers. Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute

[NSP] Re: The Power of Positive Thinking

2009-10-20 Thread Paul Gretton
Francis wrote: P. S. Are there dates for this course? I think the idea is probably that you bring your own date. But I'm sure an ad hoc committee can make appropriate arrangements for you. Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu

[NSP] Respringing a key

2009-10-19 Thread Paul Gretton
repairers can fix keys by means of microwelding. That might also be a possibility. Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ian Lawther Sent: 19 October 2009 03:52 To: nsp Subject

[NSP] Re: NPS competition results

2009-10-19 Thread Paul Gretton
of thing that puts people off the Society. It's OK to be a curmudgeon, but you are starting to sound rather sad. Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of rosspi...@aol.com Sent: 19 October 2009 13:55 To: malc

[NSP] Re: Re transposition

2009-08-03 Thread Paul Gretton
is of course much nicer than 99.999% of people's handwriting. What was good enough for Beethoven and Tom Clough is good enough for me. Errr.sorry, could you speak up a bit? Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin

[NSP] Re: this list is safer now

2009-06-09 Thread Paul Gretton
, you wimp!!! Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: What oil to use?

2009-05-26 Thread Paul Gretton
Confucius, he say: Flee argument; seek peace, quiet, harmony. Rodney King, he say: People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? NSP Committee, they say: Come all without, come all within, You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quin. Francis Wood, he say: I'd like to teach the

[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

2009-05-21 Thread Paul Gretton
they would not want to keep track of this list? Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Julia Say Sent: 21 May 2009 11:17 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Colin Ross On 21 May 2009, Richard Evans

[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

2009-05-21 Thread Paul Gretton
enough to take up the latter post even though he has resigned the former. I would hope that the committee would be able to find some solution -- within the rules -- that would allow Colin to become President if (a), (b), and (c) apply. Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute

[NSP] Re: nps

2009-04-28 Thread Paul Gretton
Very interesting. It would seem that some authorities are more authoritative than others. Oink, oink. Chirs -- Oink, oink So you're aligning yourself with those that are MORE authoritative, then? ;-) Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information

[NSP] Re: silly propoal? You tell me.

2009-04-27 Thread Paul Gretton
nowadays as a kind of New Age instrument to be played with lots of swirly reverb. Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: I must be daft

2009-04-15 Thread Paul Gretton
Don't you in fact mean 'ere, 'ere ? As in 'ere, 'ere! You lads stop messing around or I've give you a clip round the ear! (says Dixon of Dock Green). Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: Anita Evans [mailto:an...@evansweb.co.uk] Sent: 15 April 2009 09:57 To: Dartmouth

[NSP] Re: Lisa Ridley

2009-04-14 Thread Paul Gretton
message to mean that Lisa Ridley posted her comments from your computer. Surely I'm wrong? Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: Chris Ormston [mailto:ch...@chrisormston.com] Sent: 14 April 2009 01:18 To: 'Anthony Robb'; 'Rick Damon'; 'Dartmouth NPS' Subject: [NSP] Re: Lisa

[NSP] Re: Re:

2009-04-14 Thread Paul Gretton
David Baker wrote: Had it not been for certain groups of musicians breaking the rules because what resulted sounded good to them, the only style of trumpet playing would be baroque, and jazz would not exist (to give but one example). Hmmm...that is a very interesting take on the history of

[NSP] Re: Style

2009-04-14 Thread Paul Gretton
EXACTLY!!! Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: Anthony Robb [mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com] Sent: 14 April 2009 12:01 To: Dartmouth NPS Subject: [NSP] Style Something may be wrong when playing a given style music (like playing jazz as if it was classical and vice versa

[NSP] Re: Style

2009-04-14 Thread Paul Gretton
Chris wrote: like opera singers their brute power and vibrato I think you need to listen to more (good) opera singers, mate! Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Style

2009-04-14 Thread Paul Gretton
for their current production of Tristan und Isolde? Richard Decker and Annalena Persson sing wonderfully and they look marvellous too. A terrific production. Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu [mailto:christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu] Sent: 14

[NSP] Re: Re:

2009-04-14 Thread Paul Gretton
the nature of the music. Or -- since you're about to become an opera buff :-) -- I would prefer to hear Isolde sung by Flagstad or Nilsson rather than by Emma Kirkby! (and vice versa for Rameau or Lully) Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu

[NSP] Re: Billy Pigg

2009-04-14 Thread Paul Gretton
? Or would you prefer us to believe that you are an illiterate sheep-xxx from up a hillside somewhere north of Wooler?? Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: Anthony Robb [mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com] Sent: 14 April 2009 21:44 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; what.me Subject: [NSP

[NSP] Re: Billy Pigg

2009-04-14 Thread Paul Gretton
of your arguments. It is far too reminiscent of the standard GHB reply So how fast is your crunluath then? or How many gold medals have YOU won? Cheers, Paul Gretton ___ From: Anthony Robb [mailto:anth

[NSP] Any Illinois pipers out there?

2009-04-13 Thread Paul Gretton
as Northumbies. Try it - you'll notice the improvement instantly! ;-) Cheers, Paul Gretton -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Re:

2009-04-13 Thread Paul Gretton
Just a tiny question, Lisa. You don't happen to have a child of your own who enters NSP competitions, do you? Just curious. Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lisa ridley [mailto:lisaridley6...@hotmail.com] Sent: 13 April 2009 11:45 To: helen.ca...@paradise.net.nz; pipers

[NSP] Tradition and dance forms

2009-03-12 Thread Paul Gretton
played as if it were a Laendler, the folk dance from which it derives. Sorry to rant on about posh stuff like this. I shall reel off to the pub for a quick clog dance. Paul Gretton (Schimmert, Holland) -- To get on or off this list see list information at http

[NSP] Re: malcom's final solution

2009-03-06 Thread Paul Gretton
Malcolm's spelling errors seem to put him in good company, Colin, don't you think? ;-) Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: rosspi...@aol.com [mailto:rosspi...@aol.com] Sent: 06 March 2009 11:42 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] malcom's final solution I have published

[NSP] Re: malcom's final solution

2009-03-06 Thread Paul Gretton
Wot's them when them's out, Colon? Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: rosspi...@aol.com [mailto:rosspi...@aol.com] Sent: 06 March 2009 19:20 To: i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: malcom's final solution At least mine were typing omissions. CR -Original

[NSP] Re: Prints of pipers

2009-01-15 Thread Paul Gretton
Oops! Yes, I do mean that he ruined his **right** hand. He used to play in the standard way with the instrument on his left shoulder and the bow in his right hand. Now he plays the other way round. Paul -Original Message- From: christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu

[NSP] Re: Prints of pipers

2009-01-15 Thread Paul Gretton
-Original Message- From: Paul Gretton [mailto:i...@gretton-willems.com] Sent: 15 January 2009 11:51 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Prints of pipers Oops! Yes, I do mean that he ruined his **right** hand. DAMMIT! NO, I DON'T that...@#*$%#!! I mean he ruined his LEFT hand

[NSP] Prints of pipers

2009-01-14 Thread Paul Gretton
with a German violinist who had had an accident that ruined his right hand; he re-taught himself to play left-handed. (Just think what that involves form the neurological point of view!!!) That was SERIOUSLY disorientating - and his desk partner feared for her eyes! Cheers, Paul

[NSP] Re: Reel of Tullochgorum

2009-01-14 Thread Paul Gretton
There were certainly engravers who got it wrong (perhaps as a result of the system of mirrors that they may have used), but the vast majority were professionals who were well aware that the ultimate product would be a mirror image of what was on the plate. Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original

[NSP] Re: Ranting and raving

2009-01-05 Thread Paul Gretton
: ˘ / ˘ / ˘ / To be or not to be... ˘ / ˘ / ˘ / / / My love is like a red red rose... (PLEASE let's not get into a discussion of whether I've scanned these appropriately - you all know what I mean.) If the ˘ doesn't show up properly, an alternative is to use 0. Cheers, Paul Gretton

[NSP] Ranting and raving

2009-01-04 Thread Paul Gretton
that makes things perfectly clear. We can probably drop this topic now. Cheers, Paul Gretton -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: re piper's pitch v. concert pitch

2008-11-13 Thread Paul Gretton
/ai_n29072831 http://www.amazon.co.uk/History-Performing-Pitch-Bruce-Haynes/dp/0810841851/ ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1226584158sr=8-5 Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Music for funeral

2008-11-12 Thread Paul Gretton
Be it upon your own head! ...or rather your stomach. I hope you have a strong one. BTW, Highland Kitschthedral is not the other one that I referred to. That's another one. ;-) Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: colin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 November 2008 00:44 To: nsp

[NSP] Re: Music for funeral

2008-11-12 Thread Paul Gretton
'fraid not, Colin. You'll just have to live with it. Big fan of The Carpenters too, are you? Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: colin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 November 2008 13:52 To: NSP List Subject: [NSP] Re: Music for funeral Alas, I'm finding myself saying oh

[NSP] tchuning

2008-09-18 Thread Paul Gretton
This tells you it all you need to know. ;-) [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhHAojVyeG0 Cheers, Paul Gretton -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhHAojVyeG0 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin

[NSP] Pavarotti and musical taste

2008-09-17 Thread Paul Gretton
defence that there is an enormous difference between the glorious lirico-spinto that he was originally (and which he remained for much of his career) and the musical buffoon of his latter years, with all the Three Tenors and Nessun-Dorma-as-a-football-anthem crap. Cheers, Paul

[NSP] Choyting again (was [Etymology of the 'C' word - 2)

2008-09-16 Thread Paul Gretton
at all; - grace notes (or gracings), i.e. twiddly bits that are not necessary for articulation but are put in because the composer or player thinks they sound good. Choyting on the NSP would fall into the latter category. Cheers, Paul Gretton -- To get on or off

[NSP] It's not the leaving of Newcastle that grieves him...or does it?

2008-09-04 Thread Paul Gretton
All over Geordieland, pitmen and shepherds have been burning the midnight oil putting the finishing touches to The Magpies' Lament, aka Will `e or won't `e? aka 'Appen `e as, `appen `e asn't. Cheers, Paul Gretton -- To get on or off this list see list information at http

[NSP] connecting with one's roots

2008-08-26 Thread Paul Gretton
was about 20. How on earth does my playing the NSP (and the big bad Highland pipes too) represent my identity? Just wondering. Cheers, Paul Gretton -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] the cry of the curlew, the wind in the reeds...

2008-08-26 Thread Paul Gretton
don't see how choosing to play a particular instrument would reconnect me to my youth (assuming that that would be a good thing). Cheers (and not wishing to be unpleasant in any way). Paul Gretton -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu

[NSP] Articulation

2008-08-22 Thread Paul Gretton
of articulations. I don't think Clough meant that everything should be played staccatissimo. That's not how he played himself, to judge by the recordings. Paul Gretton -- References 1. http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/5658078/a/Corrette:+Pi%E8ces+Pour+La+Vielle+Ou

[NSP] Plaid 'n stuff

2008-08-22 Thread Paul Gretton
, Paul Gretton -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] choyte

2008-08-22 Thread Paul Gretton
, but admittedly not northeast dialects. ;-) ) Paul Gretton -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Pipers in the Netherlands ?

2008-01-29 Thread Paul Gretton
Alkmaar. Paul Gretton 045 404 0136 (Schimmert, near Maastricht) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 January 2008 00:08 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Pipers in the Netherlands ? Evening all - I've had an e-mail from someone

[NSP] Re: old Towler

2007-12-11 Thread Paul Gretton
with the activity of hunting dogs in general, not just decoy dogs. Paul Gretton (ex-lexicographer) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 December 2007 19:37 To: Dru Brooke-Taylor Cc: nsp Subject: [NSP] Re: old Towler What does the word towler mean? I've looked

[NSP] Re: G Set

2007-05-28 Thread Paul Gretton
player is called on to play at 415, 392, or 466 as opposed to 440, they will use an instrument built for that pitch rather than transpose. Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: Ewan Barker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 May 2007 02:36 To: Paul Gretton Subject: [NSP] Re: G Set

[NSP] Re: G Set

2007-05-26 Thread Paul Gretton
Hilarious John! Have you thought of doing stand-up? ;-) Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: Rev John Clifford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 May 2007 21:01 To: Klaus Guhl Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: G Set Klaus, There is an alternative, and much cheaper

[NSP] Re: thumb injury

2007-05-09 Thread Paul Gretton
, but still) If there are specialists in Amsterdam and Cologne, I would be sure that there will be at least one in Seattle. Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 May 2007 18:10 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] thumb

[NSP] Mike Nancy (not Tom Clough's Nancy, though!)

2007-05-08 Thread Paul Gretton
Mike Sharp wrote: Paul Gretton wrote: Why not do a Nancy Reagan and Just Say NO! ? (BTW, it's copyright.) Just Say No! ...to empty, dogmatic slogans. Just Say No! .to people who lack a sense of humour. ;-) Cheers, Paul Gretton -- To get on or off this list see list

[NSP] boring discovery

2006-06-20 Thread Paul Gretton
I could tell you a story about trying to buy nitric acid from a local pharmacy here in Holland to use for etching. I eventually got it, but I had to show them a plate that I'd already etched before they'd believe me. Cheers, Paul Gretton Schimmert, NL -- To get on or off this list see list