[NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell
Thanks for the link -- time in 1h12'ish to 1h33 on the one I played Dave S On 11/18/2011 11:44 AM, Di Jevons wrote: A fiddler friend of mine has sent me a BBC iplayer link to a Radio Scotland programme Travelling Folk featuring Chris Stout from Fiddlers Bid. Also on the same programme is Kathryn Tickell. Kathryn is on from about 8 minutes for about half an hour. Here is the link for anyone who's interested [1]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0175jnm#segments -- References 1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0175jnm#segments To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4622 - Release Date: 11/17/11
[NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell - Pipes Teacher.
Thank you, Barry. I approached this message with trepidation fearing it might be a disclosure of the awful truth about one of people I most admire on this planet. Instead it was a long-overdue tribute to Kathryn's genius written by a person qualifed to judge. At last. Thank you again. chirs To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell - Pipes Teacher.
Excellent point regarding the gracing etc. Now, this may be possibly the worst example I could put forward and there's no subconscious at work here but if we see clowns at a circus falling all over the place, we tend to forget that they are all highly skilled performers who have mastered an art (otherwise they would be seriously injured). There's a big difference to a master who has added something that's not quite what was expected and a beginner doing stuff out of ignorance. We mustn't put them both together, I think. The academics here will be able to spot the difference easily whilst the enthusiasts will go more for the sound whilst missing the technical bit. I'm with the latter. I love listening to the Clough way of playing (as in Chris O., for example) but I also love Billy's way of playing and it was his last TV appearance on the Corries TV show in 1968 - whilst Billy was in hospital - and do excuse my use of first name only, I never knew him but felt I should have! - that made me aware of the pipes in the first place (yes, Bill Charlton's Fancy). Alas that VCRs weren't around then but I do have it on reel-to-reel tape somewhere. Really must find it and copy to a CD before it's lost forever. I also like KTs playing when done in the style I'm more used to. Let's face it, the problem we've been discussing is all down to the fact that the reporter had probably never heard the pipes played before. We must get out more! :-) Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Barry Say barr...@nspipes.co.uk To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:38 PM Subject: [NSP] Kathryn Tickell - Pipes Teacher. Hi All, I have been waiting for an opportune moment to write this posting for several years. I think this is an appropriate time, before answering some of Anthony Robb's points, particularly the points concerning Kathryn Kathryn was a tutor at the Forkworks Adult Winter Workout held at Darlington in I believe, 1995. I attended this weekend course and subsequently she organized a series of classes privately, which were carried out in groups of three or four. These I attended and paid for. I cannot fault her skill as a teacher, and if I did not derive maximum benefit from the the experience then the failing was mine. However, I learned that her playing is based on a very sound basis of clean fingering, all the gracings are studied and balanced. I adopted some of the gracings in my own playing. More importantly, I took away from the series of lessons the a greater ability to listen critically to my own playing, and the ability to liten 'faster', hearing greater detail in music. This I think was actually more important than anything I learned about piping technique and I remain grateful. Barry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3
Ouch. I didn't say it SOUNDED good though, did I. :-p Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Chris Ormston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Colin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: RE: [NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3 No it Disnae! -Original Message- From: Colin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2006 20:34 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3 Hey! Nothing wrong with Disney. Never smile at a crocodile goes down well on the pipes. ;-) Colin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Ormston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3 Post-Imperial cultural tripe, a few steps above Disney. I didn't bother giving this piece a listen because one of my most unsatisfying gigs was playing the piper in a stint of Orkney Wedding. It was clear that the composer knew very little about the pipes. From the ornaments alone it was clear he hadn't even given the most basic tutor a once over, because one or two were impossible and most were pointless. It required the piper to start in the lobby and walk in from the stage right. Fair enough, except the piper's part starts on the beat four of the bar previous to the orchestra...playing the same melody a beat ahead of the orchestra. You are supposed to do this while waiting off stage without being able to see the conductor. Add to that the fact the conductor spoke only Japanese, and no one in the orchestra gave the piper a cursory hello. Like playing with the Cheiftains, it may be prestigious but afterwards you feel like a cheap trick. Wham, bam, there's the door. John Chris Ormston [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/28/2006 03:28 AM To nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu cc Subject [NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3 I managed to listen for a few minutes, then had to switch off. The little that I heard clearly demonstrated the composer's lack of understanding of the instrument and its music. Bagpipe music is all about the relationship between melody and drones, yet we were subjected to strange intervals that neither sit comfortably on the chanter nor relate to the drone accompaniment. Previous works by this composer have included a piece for pipes which goes beyond the range of the chanter - enough said??? More high-brow, emperor's-new-clothes fodder using the pipes as a gimmick! Chris -Original Message- From: Matthew Walton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 October 2006 08:47 To: Richard Shuttleworth Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3 I had some of the same feelings myself. It definitely wasn't in the mould of the traditional music for the pipes, and while I do like to see composers and players branching out into other types of music for instruments from time to time, in a lot of cases unless one does stick close to the traditional style, one doesn't get the most out of the instrument (this is something I've also observed on the recorder, although modern recorder music is something quite evil which relies on techniques fit to drive you mad). But as you say, Kathryn played it well. There were some bits in there which I definitely wouldn't have wanted to attempt on any instrument! On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 18:24 -0400, Richard Shuttleworth wrote: Thanks for the heads-up. I managed to catch it but was quite disappointed. The pipes were under-recorded most of the time and were often drowned out by the orchestra. The second (slow) movement raised my hopes for a while but sadly missed a golden opportunity to showcase the pipes, almost as though to composer didn't really know how to treat the instrument and tried to bend it into a classical mold instead of taking advantage of the traditional gendre that the pipes could have made available to him. None of the above detracts from Kathryn's playing, she was superb! Just my 2 pence work, Richard Matthew wrote: It's working right now as I'm in the middle of the relevant piece. Probably won't be available after today though, as they take them down after seven days - may not even be available later this evening. I'm in no position to comment on Kathryn's playing style but it certainly doesn't sound like the sort of pipe music she usually plays on her albums. Of course, on her albums she's not got the Northern Sinfonia playing with her either. Tis good. On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 23:47 +0200, Bart Blanquart wrote: WILLIAM REEDER wrote: Was this program ever archived? I seem to be completely unable to find it. The BBC seems to be having difficulty with the archiving feature; they have 'Performance on 3' archived for all days this week but friday. At the top of their radio player (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio3.shtml
[NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3
Regular readers will know I'm not a fan of KT's usual playing style, but Max has got some good piping out of her. Some of the crispest rapid staccato I've ever heard her play. Some open fingered trills too, mind - are they Max's or hers, or did they agree on them? The piece is good to listen to - but Max didn't attempt to stick to a Northumbrian style - what traditional elements there are come from Orkney. At least with this he has accepted the necessity with NSP of working within the range of the pipes - the harmonics in his 'Cross Lane Fair' were very unhappy. Cor anglais playing with NSP gives a blend of sounds worth hearing again, and perhaps this is enough justify the piece. The mic placement was maybe a problem - but string quartet, cor anglais and double bass can make quite a loud noise together if the players have to - NSP is stuck with a steady mf. John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3
I managed to listen for a few minutes, then had to switch off. The little that I heard clearly demonstrated the composer's lack of understanding of the instrument and its music. Bagpipe music is all about the relationship between melody and drones, yet we were subjected to strange intervals that neither sit comfortably on the chanter nor relate to the drone accompaniment. Previous works by this composer have included a piece for pipes which goes beyond the range of the chanter - enough said??? More high-brow, emperor's-new-clothes fodder using the pipes as a gimmick! Chris -Original Message- From: Matthew Walton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 October 2006 08:47 To: Richard Shuttleworth Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3 I had some of the same feelings myself. It definitely wasn't in the mould of the traditional music for the pipes, and while I do like to see composers and players branching out into other types of music for instruments from time to time, in a lot of cases unless one does stick close to the traditional style, one doesn't get the most out of the instrument (this is something I've also observed on the recorder, although modern recorder music is something quite evil which relies on techniques fit to drive you mad). But as you say, Kathryn played it well. There were some bits in there which I definitely wouldn't have wanted to attempt on any instrument! On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 18:24 -0400, Richard Shuttleworth wrote: Thanks for the heads-up. I managed to catch it but was quite disappointed. The pipes were under-recorded most of the time and were often drowned out by the orchestra. The second (slow) movement raised my hopes for a while but sadly missed a golden opportunity to showcase the pipes, almost as though to composer didn't really know how to treat the instrument and tried to bend it into a classical mold instead of taking advantage of the traditional gendre that the pipes could have made available to him. None of the above detracts from Kathryn's playing, she was superb! Just my 2 pence work, Richard Matthew wrote: It's working right now as I'm in the middle of the relevant piece. Probably won't be available after today though, as they take them down after seven days - may not even be available later this evening. I'm in no position to comment on Kathryn's playing style but it certainly doesn't sound like the sort of pipe music she usually plays on her albums. Of course, on her albums she's not got the Northern Sinfonia playing with her either. Tis good. On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 23:47 +0200, Bart Blanquart wrote: WILLIAM REEDER wrote: Was this program ever archived? I seem to be completely unable to find it. The BBC seems to be having difficulty with the archiving feature; they have 'Performance on 3' archived for all days this week but friday. At the top of their radio player (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio3.shtml) it currently says We regret that many programmes are unavailable. We are working to restore normal service... so hopefully it'll show up soon. Bart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- --
[NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3
I managed to listen to the broadcast this week also. As Richard mentioned, the pipes were quite subdued in the mix, and that was disappointing. Enjoyed it anyway. Bill - Original Message - From: Richard Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bart Blanquart [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matthew Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 6:24 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3 Thanks for the heads-up. I managed to catch it but was quite disappointed. The pipes were under-recorded most of the time and were often drowned out by the orchestra. The second (slow) movement raised my hopes for a while but sadly missed a golden opportunity to showcase the pipes, almost as though to composer didn't really know how to treat the instrument and tried to bend it into a classical mold instead of taking advantage of the traditional gendre that the pipes could have made available to him. None of the above detracts from Kathryn's playing, she was superb! Just my 2 pence work, Richard Matthew wrote: It's working right now as I'm in the middle of the relevant piece. Probably won't be available after today though, as they take them down after seven days - may not even be available later this evening. I'm in no position to comment on Kathryn's playing style but it certainly doesn't sound like the sort of pipe music she usually plays on her albums. Of course, on her albums she's not got the Northern Sinfonia playing with her either. Tis good. On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 23:47 +0200, Bart Blanquart wrote: WILLIAM REEDER wrote: Was this program ever archived? I seem to be completely unable to find it. The BBC seems to be having difficulty with the archiving feature; they have 'Performance on 3' archived for all days this week but friday. At the top of their radio player (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio3.shtml) it currently says We regret that many programmes are unavailable. We are working to restore normal service... so hopefully it'll show up soon. Bart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3
Was this program ever archived? I seem to be completely unable to find it. Thanks! Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:26 AM Subject: [NSP] Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3 Kathryn will be playing Peter Maxwell Davies 'Kettletoft Inn' tonight on Radio Three from the Sage Gateshead. It should be available on the Internet on the BBC website for the next week I beleive so that it can be heard internationally. I haven't heard it so it will be interesting to hear what other folk think of it. Cheers, Colin Ross -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
