A good old tune, for sure, but what does the title mean?
If a song, has anyone the words?
Dolly an historical figure?
The web is silent on her.
I can find only (OED):
"cut and dried (also cut and dry): originally referring to herbs in the
herbalists' shops, as contrasted with growing herbs; henc
Pure speculation but is there a chance that "cut and dry" herbs were
woven into bunches like a corn "dolly"?
Ian
Richard Leach wrote:
A good old tune, for sure, but what does the title mean?
If a song, has anyone the words?
Dolly an historical figure?
The web is silent on her.
I can find
Snap!
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of
Ian Lawther
Sent: 16 September 2009 17:14
To: Richard Leach
Cc: Dartmouth
Subject: [NSP] Re: Cut and Dry Dolly
Pure speculation but is there a chance that "cut and dry" herbs were
w
Something to do with corn dollies???
John
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Richard Leach
Sent: 16 September 2009 17:07
To: Dartmouth
Subject: [NSP] Cut and Dry Dolly
A good old tune, for sure, but what does the title mea
That article was a good one - not only did it tell me about the
existence of other versions of Cut and Dry than Peacock's, (some are on
Farne now) but rather successfully proved the point that written
traditions are as fluid as oral ones; if a bit slower.
But no light on what the ti
On 16 Sep 2009 at 15:11, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote:
>
>But no light on what the title meant - until someone turns up some song
>lyrics, we are probably left with guesswork as the best way of working
>out that one.
>
Lyrics to a different tune:
Fresh Aw cum frrae Sandgate Street
D
I quote from Bob Fox & Stu Luckley's Box Of Gold CD notes:
"Dollia was a popular song in Newcastle during the years 1792-94 and
describes the leaving of the North York Militia (The Black Cuffs) and
the arrival of the 23rd Ulster Dragoons (The Green Cuffs) and the
effect of this on
Thinking again about this, I am drawn to the following:
There are many sexual references in our music: "over the border", "down
the lonnen", "over the dyke" (sic), "all the night I lay with Jockey"
and so on.
Maybe cut-and-dry dolly is another one. The implication could then be
that what poor Dol
For some reason, lost in the labyrinths of time, I believed the cut and dry
dolly to be a small peat stack, ready to be taken from the moor for burning.
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From: "Richard Leach"
To: "Dartmouth"
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:07 PM
Subject: [NSP] Cut and Dry D
On 16 Sep 2009 at 15:11, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote:
>
>But no light on what the title meant - until someone turns up some song
>lyrics, we are probably left with guesswork as the best way of working
>out that one.
>
Lyrics to a different tune:
Fresh Aw cum frrae Sandgate Street
D
On 16 Sep 2009 at 15:11, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote:
>
>But no light on what the title meant - until someone turns up some song
>lyrics, we are probably left with guesswork as the best way of working
>out that one.
>
Lyrics to a different tune:
Fresh Aw cum frrae Sandgate Street
D
Can anyone with access to an OED or a Northumbrian dialect dictionary
check this possible meaning of 'dolly' = peat-stack? It would be
plausible enough if 'dolly' used to hold this meaning. Though is 'a
small peat stack, ready to be taken from the moor for burning' a likely
topic for
On 16 Sep 2009, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote:
> is 'a small peat stack, ready to be taken from the moor for
>burning' a likely topic for a popular song?
It's possibly a likely title for a tune frequently played by someone
not noted for the honesty of his waysdry peat would be a
On 16 Sep 2009, Richard Leach wrote:
> The OED is again possibly instructive:
> "dolly: A female pet or favourite; 1648--1706,
Combining that, (and what the males of the period did with such an
item) with:
>what poor Dolly was offering was not shall we say "fresh and
> green", but rather "cut
"Doll: a portion, large piece of anything, frequently dung"
"Dolly: an old fashioned oil-lamp, a cruisie"
The Concise Scots Dictionary, Aberdeen U. Press, 1985
It's strangely reassuring that "Cut and Dry Dolly" is a mystery to so many
people.
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmo
Perhaps if we take the John Bell version (on FARNE) as the basic tune,
the tag at the middle and end of the strain has the rhythm
| qq c qq q...|
this would fit ...|Cut and Dry Do-ol-ly ...|
But you need to stretch the first syllable of Dolly across two notes.
These 2 note
A couple of other meanings in [1]http://www.dsl.ac.uk/
but none that seem to fit the Cut and Dry context convincingly.
John
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References
1. http://www.dsl.ac.uk/
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