[NSP] Re: Penguin Cafe Orchestra

2006-05-12 Thread GibbonsSoinne
I listened to the clip. Nice music, but not what I would call good piping. The open fingered trills grate a bit, and the staccato was damn near nonexistent! Whom am I slagging off? Oh, it's Ms Tickle John -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[NSP] Re: Penguin Cafe Choyting

2006-05-14 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Edwin, I'll refer you to the original email. Don't recall ever reading that one though John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: NSP Birl?

2006-06-02 Thread GibbonsSoinne
So the debate has moved on from why highland graces are a bad idea, to the question of which ones you can do. I suppose they aren't technically bad piping if the chanter is properly closed between each note the next, but the idea does sound a bit wrong-headed. Is this what the instrument is

[NSP] New Highland Laddie

2006-06-03 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Not much help in playing the variations, but the words of this broadside ballad fit Peacock's tune. _http://www.nls.uk/broadsides/broadside.cfm/id/15803_ (http://www.nls.uk/broadsides/broadside.cfm/id/15803) John -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[NSP] Rothbury rules

2006-06-25 Thread GibbonsSoinne
I must say that some of the best competition music I ever heard at Rothbury was a variation set that should have been disqualified if the rules had been enforced - on the other hand, last year's smallpipe competition, when the rules were strictly applied, was relatively unsatisfying - there

[NSP] Re: Kathryn Tickell on Radio 3

2006-10-28 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Regular readers will know I'm not a fan of KT's usual playing style, but Max has got some good piping out of her. Some of the crispest rapid staccato I've ever heard her play. Some open fingered trills too, mind - are they Max's or hers, or did they agree on them? The piece is good to

[NSP] Re: German word

2007-04-22 Thread GibbonsSoinne
_www.bagpipe.de_ (http://www.bagpipe.de) says 'Bordunen' John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Highland Cathedral

2007-05-08 Thread GibbonsSoinne
---1178654244 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In principle Nancy was right. But since it has been sitting in my BP library bag for aeons, only played once, here's a scan to clog up your hard discs with. Perhaps you can

[NSP] Re: Practice and Exercises

2007-05-19 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Exactly - just the melodic motifs that are used to build the variations in Peacock. Things like BAGABG or G2 BcdB or, building into an exercise... GABG ABcA BcdB cdec defd efge g4 If you can play the Peacock variations fluently, you are doing fine. John -- To get on or

[NSP] Re: Learning to tune drones

2007-11-18 Thread GibbonsSoinne
In a message dated 18/11/2007 11:58:54 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.milecastle27.co.uk/simulator/ Rob, Well done! A very useful instructive widget - installing the soundbank was a bit terrifying, but I managed once I started reading the instructions - doing

[NSP] Re: Peacock's Wylam Away

2008-09-10 Thread GibbonsSoinne
There is something similar in the 1st half bar of Keelman Ower Land. There it is dc/B/A/G, with the NM version putting a triplet on the c/B/A/, to get the time right, but making it harder to play. I feel dc/B/A/G/ is likelier. It would be easy in a MS to not quite take the second

[NSP] Re: An ear for drone music

2008-11-13 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Good point John Dally made - perhaps this explains why there's such a split in repertoires? If you like the effect of drone harmony you will like Peacock, Bewick, Clough tunes - but if the drones are just something you tune to the tonic and dominant, then forget about, you

[NSP] Re: Starting point

2009-01-05 Thread GibbonsSoinne
The two books NSP1 and the Charlton Memorial book are a good overview of the repertoire - what people actually played - as seen in the mid-20th century. The Peacock collection does the same job for the beginning of the 19th, and so contains a higher proportion of purpose-built

[NSP] Re: Reel of t

2009-01-13 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Are you saying these words 'Come gie's a sang Montgomery cried ...' fit the 'Reel of Tullochgorum' tune (they do) or the ex-strathspey that's found in Peacock (they fit that too). The difference between gobstopper and tomato soup is obscured by the stress of the verse.

[NSP] Re: Reel of t

2009-01-13 Thread GibbonsSoinne
SMM has the strathspey tune - see [1]http://www.burnsscotland.com/database/record.php?usi=000-000-499-837 -CPHPSESSID=mogu4k310q5f4sje49tpggju04scache=1i8i6q4yllsearchdb=scra n -- References 1.

[NSP] Re: Reel of Tullochgorum

2009-01-14 Thread GibbonsSoinne
In a message dated 14/01/2009 00:24:15 GMT Standard Time, richard.hea...@tiscali.co.uk writes: http://nms.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-000-579-620-C UP chanter all right, on the knee, but more like BP drones? The artist doesn't show what the tune looked like though!

[NSP] Re: Reel of Tullochgorum

2009-01-14 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Printing does give a mirror image, so unless the artist flips it in his head, that's what you get. John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Transposing etc

2009-08-01 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Is there any software available which will input interminable arguments about the Pipers' Society rulebook, and output intelligent discussion about the instrument and its music? John -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[NSP] Re: Transposing etc

2009-08-02 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Are these the guys at Dflat house in Camden? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Halcyon days gone by

2009-08-13 Thread GibbonsSoinne
The Most illuminating was in response to that message of John Dally's beginning, eloquently, SG93IG5vc3RhbGdpYyBJIGFtIGZvciB0aG9zZSBoYWxjeW9uIGRheXMgb2YgYmxpc3NmdW wgaWdu b3JhbmNlIHdoZW4gdGhlIGdvZHMgb2YgdGhlIE5QUyBkaWQgbm90IGNhc3QgdGh1bmRlciB ib2x0

[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] British Library NSP Recordings

2009-09-06 Thread GibbonsSoinne
A lot of these BL recordings are annotated with helpful titles like 'Unidentified Tune' or 'Hornpipe'. I have identified a couple so far. If anyone can point to a specific recording, and identify the sequence of tunes, I can add a note. Non-UK-academics aren't trusted,

[NSP] Re: Cut and Dry Dolly

2009-09-16 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Can anyone with access to an OED or a Northumbrian dialect dictionary check this possible meaning of 'dolly' = peat-stack? It would be plausible enough if 'dolly' used to hold this meaning. Though is 'a small peat stack, ready to be taken from the moor for burning' a likely topic

[NSP] Cut and Dry - underlay

2009-09-16 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Perhaps if we take the John Bell version (on FARNE) as the basic tune, the tag at the middle and end of the strain has the rhythm | qq c qq q...| this would fit ...|Cut and Dry Do-ol-ly ...| But you need to stretch the first syllable of Dolly across two notes. These 2

[NSP] Re: Cut and Dry Dolly

2009-09-16 Thread GibbonsSoinne
A couple of other meanings in [1]http://www.dsl.ac.uk/ but none that seem to fit the Cut and Dry context convincingly. John -- References 1. http://www.dsl.ac.uk/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Whinshields thingummy

2009-09-18 Thread GibbonsSoinne
It's a hornpipe, because J.L. Dunk said it was, and he wrote it; it's a rant because if you play it that way - as everyone does - it makes sense. For more by Dunk, see [1]http://www.archive.org/details/hyperacoustics02dunk John -- References 1.

[NSP] Re: [NSP]website

2009-09-18 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Makes more sense than 'Hyperacoustics', anyway -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Synthetic key pads

2009-10-18 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Francis, Is the widespread use of synthetic pads in (mouth blown) orchestral woodwinds nowadays down to the fact that they operate in (often very) moist environments, which would presumably affect leather much more than a water-repellent plastic foam? The bore of NSP is

[NSP] Re: From notation to music

2009-12-01 Thread gibbonssoinne
The trouble is some think 'reading music' and 'reading music notation' are synonymous - the trick is to read the dots and put the music back into them. I guess the player who can only play from a notated copy she'd just written down, on hearing,, would be a good ear-player

[NSP] Re: Remembering titles

2009-12-03 Thread gibbonssoinne
A lyric fragment, sung to the tune, eg 'All the Night I Lay with Jockey in my Arms', or -failing this - a dummy lyric including the title, can help - make up your own examples, as daft ones of your own invention stick better. Remembering the first bar or 2 of the tune, with the

[NSP] Re: NSP

2010-01-05 Thread GibbonsSoinne
or the difference between a Scottish smallpipe player and a small Scottish pipe player -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: bag shape

2010-01-27 Thread GibbonsSoinne
I always understood the point of the open-cell foam in the neck is to remove the neck resonance problem referred to earlier. The frequency of this resonance depends critically on the shape - if you model the bag as a big cavity with a narrow tubular neck,like a bottle, the formula

[NSP] Pedantry alert!!

2010-01-28 Thread GibbonsSoinne
PS 'Inverted' is upside down; inside out is 'everted'. Ask any topologist, or classicist... John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Goat to pipe-bag

2010-01-28 Thread GibbonsSoinne
[1]http://www.answers.com/topic/zampogna-2 says, inter alia, Traditionally the bags are made from goat hides that are removed from the slaughtered animal in one piece, cured, turned inside out, then tied off just in front of the rear legs, one of the front legs serving to

[NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments

2010-02-08 Thread GibbonsSoinne
In a message dated 07/02/2010 13:39:07 GMT Standard Time, i...@gretton-willems.com writes: But did you know that a recent survey showed that 96.83% of people who say that they don't like Wagner's operas have never actually heard or attended one? ;-) Cheers,

[NSP] Re: Holy/Holey Halfpenny

2010-02-15 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Breathnach is a good source of advice here - I recall he said something I'd paraphrase as: Tune titles are dummy labels for the tunes, without a 'real' meaning of their own. It is futile to enquire about 'The Mason's Apron' whether a stonemason's or freemason's apron is

[NSP] Re: key springing.

2010-04-04 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Bob, I know nothing about pipemaking, but in good years there is one nsp event in Scotland (only just) - see [1]http://www.newcastleton.com/intro.html. But the nsp competition will be uncontested if nobody goes there. This has happened some years, I think. John

[NSP] Re: Open competition tunes

2010-04-05 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Julia, What was set in a competition 15 years ago may no longer be of as much interest as it was then, and is surely going to be a pain to retrieve. But is there a log of what non-set tunes people have actually won with more recently? John -- To get on or off this list

[NSP] Re: Will the Barber

2010-09-08 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Well remembered! It's also a grand tune. John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: The Golden Eagle

2010-09-28 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Thanks for the hint, Matt. I went back and found it in Ryan's Mammoth Collection - I'd missed it before. For those that don't know this collection, it was published 'about 1883' in Boston, Mass. The Golden Eagle certainly doesn't sound like it was written too long before

[NSP] Re: Where hast though been all the night?

2010-11-04 Thread GibbonsSoinne
With me, the addiction only in the severe writing form since I got some NSP in 97 - but I'd been a Peacock addict since Cut and Dry Dolly came out in the 70's, and I bought the facsimile edition which I treasure to this day. Writing set in once I realised Peacock, Bewick and

[NSP] Re: Doubleday

2010-12-18 Thread GibbonsSoinne
One thing I like about NSP is the way vibrato alters the colour, rather than the volume of a note. You can emphasise higher harmonics this way, and Billy Pigg seemed to use this a lot in The Lark in the Clear Air, for example. As for apples and potatoes - in Cologne they have

[NSP] Re: Doubleday

2010-12-21 Thread GibbonsSoinne
only one finger off at a time is usually read as being about open-fingered ornaments, or the horrible slurred playing some people go in for. No need to make a fetish of it, avoiding vibrato too. I've heard at least 3 excellent close fingered pipers advising using vibrato in

[NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan Glackin)

2011-01-08 Thread GibbonsSoinne
A 70 cent divergence between one set of pipes and another is alarming! More than a third of a tone in old money. We are approaching the territory of that Irish flute player I mentioned. A tactful cull of the outliers might be a good idea - 'Your pipes are more suitable for

[NSP] Re:

2011-01-08 Thread GibbonsSoinne
It might be worth analysing recordings of a good piper or two playing in E minor and in G, to see if they squeeze the B that little bit harder in the minor tunes, to bring it more in tune with the E/B drones. They may not do it consciously, but the B that's a true third above G

[NSP] Re: Intonation

2011-01-08 Thread GibbonsSoinne
As many notes on an NSP chanter can be bent about a quarter tone without putting the drones far out - at least on a good reed day - I guess one difference between a good piper and a fairly good one is the former will squeeze notes into tune unconsciously and accurately, the latter

[NSP] Re: A 70 cent divergence

2011-01-09 Thread GibbonsSoinne
7066.6... = 2/3 semitone = 1/3 tone. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: re-conditioning ... (dangers of brass tarnish?)

2011-01-14 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Brass is not gunmetal. With gunmetal, iron oxide forms a thin airtight layer for a while, protecting the metal underneath, at least till proper rust gets going. With brass, the same is not true for copper and its alloys. So corrosion doesn't prevent further corrosion.

[NSP] Re: re-conditioning ... (dangers of brass tarnish?)

2011-01-14 Thread GibbonsSoinne
And gold is amazingly soft, so won't wear well. John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: oil - and for other instruments?l

2011-01-14 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Almond is still popular for woodwind, and has been for 250 years or more. John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] (no subject)

2011-01-14 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Is 'The rotting of the cotton threads' the title of a tune I haven't learned yet? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Shellac

2011-01-15 Thread GibbonsSoinne
UHU is a pain if you need to get in there, though. Shellac is at least easy to soften. John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] wholly keyed chanter??

2011-03-22 Thread GibbonsSoinne
One obvious response is that playing finger holes on NSP is faster and more 'positive' than playing keyed notes. Half of this may be down to the poor dexterity of the little finger, but I can't play even thumb-keyed notes as crisply as open-holed ones. There's something in Tom

[NSP] Re: Has there ever been an NSP with _all_ keys (no open holes)?

2011-03-22 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Adrian, I stand corrected Only the one known example, I take it? How do you mean part-Union? Do you mean a wholly keyed NSP chanter, cylindrical bored and closed ended, but with UP drones and regulators? I must go and look at it - even if they (it?) never caught on,

[NSP] Re: Mr Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances

2011-07-17 Thread GibbonsSoinne
In a message dated 17/07/2011 17:07:14 GMT Daylight Time, oatenp...@googlemail.com writes: http://www.northumbrianpipers.org.uk/pipersforum/viewtopic.php?f=18; t=206 Dave is right, Dunk meant it to be in ternary form. A, B, A', with A' being an ornamented recap leading

[NSP] Re: Mr Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances

2011-07-17 Thread GibbonsSoinne
In a message dated 17/07/2011 20:33:27 GMT Daylight Time, barr...@nspipes.co.uk writes: Just because a piece breaks some notional (artificial?) rules, doesn't make it bad music. Oddly, I don't think W on the W does break any rules in this sense. Except for our

[NSP] Re: Harvest tunes

2011-09-02 Thread GibbonsSoinne
Two or three from Vickers - The Kirn Staff (Kirn = Corn, as in Kirn Supper) and the Threshers, also perhaps The Hare in the Corn, though the hare being in the corn is more of a problem before you have cut it. You'd expect musicians at a Kirn supper. There are probably a

[NSP] (no subject)

2011-09-06 Thread GibbonsSoinne
In response to an unmet need for harvest tunes, and incidentally tunes commemorating Northumbrian wildlife, I was inspired to write this after an afternoon's piping with Edmund in Northumberland, when Edmund, Gisela and I all went for a walk afterwards... X:1 T:The Harvest

[NSP] Re: NSP spotted on ebay UK

2012-02-17 Thread GibbonsSoinne
If that recent footage of a mammoth-shaped object fording a river in Chukhotka in the Russian Far East turns out not to have been faked, then presumably the species goes on the CITES list pretty sharpish, and carrying smallpipes across borders gets harder... John In a

[NSP] Re: March 2012 TOTM: Adam a Bell selected by Julia Say

2012-03-02 Thread GibbonsSoinne
I once wondered if the ballad fits the tune - can you sing it in 9/4? The answer is a tentative yes... But it isn't as obvious as I'd like. I have not checked every verse. The ballad seems to be a local analogue of a Robin Hood one, with Carlisle for Nottingham etc, Adam a

[NSP] Re: Mallorca

2012-04-29 Thread GibbonsSoinne
An important bit of advice when discussing Royal Compositions, is NEVER EVER CRITICISE THEM! This is because you never have any idea who wrote the things John In a message dated 29/04/2012 20:02:33 GMT Daylight Time, ross.ander...@cl.cam.ac.uk writes: There

[NSP] Re: small coals, and the peacock following the hen

2012-08-15 Thread GibbonsSoinne
To my ear the best thing about the Peacock with Gg drones is the prominent clashing f#, which resolves to a d; it is a strongly emphasised note in the 'C major' strains. BP would have a high g nat here instead but Peacock was stuck with f# on NSP and seems to have gloried in it.