Hello Francis
If someone kicks you in the shins and you say ouch that hurt and on
being informed of the the hurt the person then apologises for wearing
boots is that an effective apology?
Barry has now apologised for the act itself and as I said in my recent
comments it is gratefully received and acknowledged.
I have contacted Barry saying there is no need for anything further on
his part.
Yes, the word Rant has its own conotations that is why I thought it
important to include a subtitle explaining that the article wasn't a
rant in that way.
At the end of all of this we are still left with the conundrum of a
publication taking on the academic appellation of Journal and
then resorting to magazine practices.
I might well be the only person on this list with mainstream journal
experience to raise an eyebrow over this and so I'm more than happy to
end it here.
Best wishes
Anthony
--- On Sun, 3/7/11, Francis Wood <oatenp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
From: Francis Wood <oatenp...@googlemail.com>
Subject: [NSP] Re: Breaking a promise
To: "Anthony Robb" <anth...@robbpipes.com>
Cc: "Dartmouth NPS" <nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Sunday, 3 July, 2011, 12:28
Dear Anthony,
I should probably keep out of this. However . . .
So I've just re-read this from a few days ago:
> I am the vile editor of the NPS Journal who changed the title of
Anthony's article without his consent and I have apologized to him
privately and will publish a full apology in the next issue.
A private apology, a public recantation of the reason for the apology
and a promise of a specific published apology seems fairly gracious.
What else can the Editor do?
Life's too short (and today's too hot) so let's not get back to the
old days of unmusical controversy on this list.
By the way, I re-read your article with great interest and pleasure and
am glad to repeat the link here:
[1]http://www.robbpipes.com/AnyoneForARant
As for the title, the word 'rant' has a specific meaning in traditional
music known and properly understood mostly by a small number of the
inhabitants at the Northern end of this island.
However, the NPS Journal (and this Dartmouth list) circulates worldwide
to readers of English who natively use this word in one sense only.
My point in saying so is that there is always the likelihood of a
humourous leak between the two meanings. You're right to object if you
think this was done deliberately in a title change which you did not
like. The Editor was right to apologise. But for a huge number of
people, this word-association is going to happen anyway. For most
people, I'd suggest that it doesn't seem absent from your chosen title.
Best wishes,
Francis
Francis
On 3 Jul 2011, at 09:04, Anthony Robb wrote:
>
> As I'm aware that many out there will not share my rather high
tedium
> tolerance level I'd decided to let this one go but a Sunday morning
> chat over a cuppa with Heather has persuaded me to make a couple of
> points:
> 1) The apology Barry refers to was in relation to not sending me a
> proof and despite my explanation that what I found upsetting was
the
> change in tenor of the piece as a result of the alteration of the
title
> and the ditching of the subtitle no further apology was
forthcoming.
> Now that it has it is gratefully acknowledged and received.
> The thing I found very puzzling was that the Magazine had changed
into
> a Journal for that edition but the editor made an artistic decision
as
> though it was still a magazine.
> 2) The article on Hannah and Jimmy did take some sorting out but I
> would like to point out that this was largely as a result of the
editor
> retyping the whole piece and the inevitable slips which ensued.
> Perhaps some guidance for fitting in with 'the house style' might
> lessen the workload for contributor and editor in the future.
> Cheers
> Anthony
>
> --- On Fri, 1/7/11, [2]barr...@nspipes.co.uk
<[3]barr...@nspipes.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> From: [4]barr...@nspipes.co.uk <[5]barr...@nspipes.co.uk>
> Subject: [NSP] Re: Re:
> To: "Dartmouth NPS" <[6]nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Friday, 1 July, 2011, 21:28
>
> (Suspicious voice)
> Hullo,
> Anyone there? I've got my tin hat on. Any incoming fire?
> (Normal voice)
> Attempts at humour on the internet are dangerous and generally
> misunderstood.
> I am the vile editor of the NPS Journal who changed the title of
> Anthony's article without his consent and I have apologized to him
> privately and will publish a full apology in the next issue.
> Anthony presented two contributions to the Journal, the rant
article
> coming earlier in the year well before any start had been made on
> compiling the issue and then later I received, the wonderful
interview
> with Hannah Hutton and Jimmy Little which threw so much light on a
> particular section of our tradition and together with Hannah's
> photographs it became a very important part of the Journal. i am
sure
> that Anthony remembers that article going back and forth for
correction
> until we got it as right as possible.
> While this was going on, I was typesetting the magazine which
involves
> competing
> influences, to get the content balanced , to get articles starting
on
> the left or right as appropriate, to end up with a multiple of 4
pages,
> and I thought that there would not be room for Anthony's Rant
article,
> until almost magically as I tidied up all the pages, a space
appeared
> which demanded an article of just about that length. A few font
> changes... and it was in and I was grateful.
> I assembled the whole thing, hit the build contents key -- and the
> contents page didn't reflect the energy contained in the
publication. I
> looked down the contents and felt that Anthony's title did not sit
well
> against the previous title, and (woe is me) I tried changing
Anthony's
> title in what I thought was a subtle and slightly humorous way and
the
> magazine felt more balanced. However, I forgot to seek Anthony's
> permission. OOps. An editor must not offend his correspondents or
the
> Journal will be empty.
> So again I apologize for my oversight as I will do in any venue
where
> Anthony raises the point.
> As to releasing Anthony's article to this list, I will try to post
> another contribution about copyright, the NPS, and the internet,
which
> I hope will generate some interesting discussion.
> Barry Say
> (Editor NPS Journal)
> Quoting [1][7]david...@pt.lu:
>>
>> Hi Antony,
>>
>> How about posting the article here? There are lots of people who
> are
>> interested but are not NPS members
>>
>> -- I like the hint of lilt in your playing - always have
>>
>> A
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Dave S
>>
>> Anthony Robb wrote:
>>
>> Hello John
>> That's sounds great.
>> It's exactly the response I was hoping for when I submitted the
> article
>> on Rants to the NPS Journal. I'd titled the piece "Anyone For a
> Rant?"
>> but it was apparently unsuitable and altered without my consent or
>> knowledge to "A Bit Of a Rant" which rather missed the idea of an
>> invitation to try them.
>> Cheers and every good wish for some enjoyable music making,
>> Anthony
>> --- On Thu, 30/6/11, Gibbons, John
<[2][8]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
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> --
>
> References
>
> 1. [10]http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=david...@pt.lu
> 2.
[11]http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk
> 3. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
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References
1. http://www.robbpipes.com/AnyoneForARant
2. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=barr...@nspipes.co.uk
3. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=barr...@nspipes.co.uk
4. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=barr...@nspipes.co.uk
5. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=barr...@nspipes.co.uk
6. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
7. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=david...@pt.lu
8. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk
9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
10. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=david...@pt.lu
11. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk
12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
