[NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4
starts at 2.58 -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Steve Bliven Sent: Fri 1/1/2010 7:40 PM To: Marianne Hall; oatenp...@googlemail.com; List - NSP Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4 Nope, still there. Have to wait through some other patter but it's there on 31 December at 13:30. Best wishes and happy new year. Steve On 1/1/10 1:20 PM, Marianne Hall allerwa...@hotmail.com wrote: It appears the Listen Again facility is not available for this programme. However, I was lucky enough to hear some of it, and was looking forward to listening again. Bah, humbug, BBC! To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4
Yes, I caught it too. Very heart cockle-warming at this time of year! Further to Alistair's contribution, many years ago I used to provide piping illutrations when Colin Ross did illustrated talks on the pipes. If memory serves I think he had a slide of a 6 inch bronze of a Roman bagpiper found at Richborough Castle in Kent. Has anyone else seen or heard of it?? Happy prosperous new year to all Anthony --- On Sat, 2/1/10, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: From: christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4 To: steve.bli...@comcast.net, allerwa...@hotmail.com, oatenp...@googlemail.com, nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 9:12 starts at 2.58 -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Steve Bliven Sent: Fri 1/1/2010 7:40 PM To: Marianne Hall; [2]oatenp...@googlemail.com; List - NSP Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4 Nope, still there. Have to wait through some other patter but it's there on 31 December at 13:30. Best wishes and happy new year. Steve On 1/1/10 1:20 PM, Marianne Hall [3]allerwa...@hotmail.com wrote: It appears the Listen Again facility is not available for this programme. However, I was lucky enough to hear some of it, and was looking forward to listening again. Bah, humbug, BBC! To get on or off this list see list information at [1][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=oatenp...@googlemail.com 3. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=allerwa...@hotmail.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4
Anthony Robb skrev: Yes, I caught it too. Very heart cockle-warming at this time of year! Further to Alistair's contribution, many years ago I used to provide piping illutrations when Colin Ross did illustrated talks on the pipes. If memory serves I think he had a slide of a 6 inch bronze of a Roman bagpiper found at Richborough Castle in Kent. Has anyone else seen or heard of it?? I tried ealier to send a short comment to the group, but I cannot see it on my computer, so now I try this way using the adresses from Robb's note: The Oxford History of Music makes mention of the first documented bagpipe being found on a Hittite slab at Eyuk. This sculptured bagpipe has been dated to 1,000 B.C. The Roman bagpipes or tibia utricularis are represented on coins. Roman coins have been found showing a person thougt to be Nero playing the bagpipe (not the fiddle !) I think that we can conclude that earliest history of the bagpipe stretches far back in the darkest of history somewhere in Asia Minor. with best wishes of a peaceful and prosperous new year to ye all from Bo Albrechtsen, Denmark To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4
Well spotted Francis. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.
Adding to Alistair Anderson's conjectures on the development of the bagpipes,
the most convincing story I have heard is that when the Crusaders travelled to
what has been described as 'The Holy Land', they discovered people playing
'pipes' from air in 'bags'. They took this idea home and tried putting the
native instruments of their region into bags to see what happened. This would
neatly account for the widespread distribution of bagpipes in Europe and the
variety of forms.
Any thoughts?
Barry
PS Happy New Year
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On 1 Jan 2010 at 9:50, Francis Wood wrote:
A very nice item yesterday on BBC Radio 4 from Morpeth Chantry Bagpipe Museum.
Congratulations to everyone who spoke or played; it was really good!
The programme ('Questions, Questions', 13.30) is available for the next 6 days
at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/programmes/schedules/fm/2009/12/31
Francis
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[NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4
It appears the Listen Again facility is not available for this
programme. However, I was lucky enough to hear some of it, and was
looking forward to listening again. Bah, humbug, BBC!
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 09:50:36 +
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: oatenp...@googlemail.com
Subject: [NSP] NSP item on BBC Radio 4
A very nice item yesterday on BBC Radio 4 from Morpeth Chantry
Bagpipe Museum. Congratulations to everyone who spoke or played; it was
really good!
The programme ('Questions, Questions', 13.30) is available for the
next 6 days at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/programmes/schedules/fm/2009/12/31
Francis
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[NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4
There's also the theory that said crusaders found the Saracen bagpipes
upset their horses so brought them back as a way of bagpipe-proofing
horses - urban bagpiping myth or not?
The same theory likes the introduction of the nakers to Europe
occurring for the same reason - it is said that this end of the world
didn't have drums prior to that.
Sort of Middle Eastern spoilers for the European weapon of mass
destruction :-)
Happy New Year, too!
Richard.
Barry Say wrote:
Well spotted Francis. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.
Adding to Alistair Anderson's conjectures on the development of the bagpipes,
the most convincing story I have heard is that when the Crusaders travelled to
what has been described as 'The Holy Land', they discovered people playing
'pipes' from air in 'bags'. They took this idea home and tried putting the
native instruments of their region into bags to see what happened. This would
neatly account for the widespread distribution of bagpipes in Europe and the
variety of forms.
Any thoughts?
Barry
PS Happy New Year
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On 1 Jan 2010 at 9:50, Francis Wood wrote:
A very nice item yesterday on BBC Radio 4 from Morpeth Chantry Bagpipe Museum.
Congratulations to everyone who spoke or played; it was really good!
The programme ('Questions, Questions', 13.30) is available for the next 6 days
at:
[1]http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/programmes/schedules/fm/2009/12/31
Francis
To get on or off this list see list information at
[2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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References
1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/programmes/schedules/fm/2009/12/31
2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4
On 1 Jan 2010, at 21:18, Richard York wrote: There's also the theory that said crusaders found the Saracen bagpipes upset their horses so brought them back as a way of bagpipe-proofing horses - urban bagpiping myth or not? Well, Richard, I like that speculation. However there's also a theory specific to our own pipes which is less distant. Earliest reference to the closed-fingered small-pipes is to be found in an early English account of a visit to the court of the ancient Irish King Brian or Brian Borúma. This famous warrior had lost a thumb in a hunting accident, a misadventure which affected him but slightly, although he was greatly saddened by his inability to play Irish smallpipes, his skill on this instrument being renowned throughout the kingdom. The subsequent emergence of melodies with only a seven note range can be traced to this period, and the recent discovery of a smallpipe chanter from a contemporary burial site with the distinctive absence of the upper octave hole seems to provide evidence of the adoption of such a chanter following the royal example. An old inventory refers colloquially to the instrument as “No-thumb Brian pipes” and in translation this term has survived in English to this present day, despite the restoration of the thumb hole. Happy New Year, all! Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4
On 1 Jan 2010, at 21:18, Richard York wrote: urban bagpiping myth or not? As a P. S, . . . . there is an alternative theory that the term originated in another early account of someone busking on NSPs in the Elsdon Square Shopping Centre. They were apparently described as Northumbrians' Mall Pipes. I don't believe a word of it though. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4
I don't suppose anyone wants to hear my theories about Holey Ha'penny? Francis Yes please -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4
On 1 Jan 2010, at 22:30, Matt Seattle wrote: I don't suppose anyone wants to hear my theories about Holey Ha'penny? Francis Yes please Hi Matt and Richard, Yes . . . this is the tune earlier known by the title 'Speed the Clough'. It was originally recorded at 45 rpm on an unusually long chanter but issued by HMV at 78 rpm to simulate virtuosity. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4
Must be the cold weather. It plays havoc with corns. Haven't seen as much since I watched (by accident) Oklahoma. Colin Hill PS Thanks for the big grin in brought to my face :) - Original Message - From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:44 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP item on BBC Radio 4 On 1 Jan 2010, at 22:30, Matt Seattle wrote: I don't suppose anyone wants to hear my theories about Holey Ha'penny? Francis Yes please Hi Matt and Richard, Yes . . . this is the tune earlier known by the title 'Speed the Clough'. It was originally recorded at 45 rpm on an unusually long chanter but issued by HMV at 78 rpm to simulate virtuosity. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
