[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle
On 30 Jun 2011, at 08:15, John Dally wrote: Here are a couple of youtube items that already fit the bill for July. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHBO8CGAIeQfeature=related [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKC0ZoVqfzUNR=1 What's your take on the tune? Hi John, Two very contrasting renditions. [1] It's a lot easier to play Roxborough Castle in dotted rhythm, as is done here. I prefer it played absolutely straight, which is really very challenging. A commonly played tune which is rarely played well. I quite like this rendition here . . . seems to have been videoed during a casual session by a bystander. [2] Awful, awful, awful! This version has the tune played in a manner way beyond the performers ability or understanding of the tune, and apparently on a poorly set-up instrument. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle
Might be quite good if he played it at half the speed. And got his chanter remotely in tune. Otherwise agree with Francis. Me too. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle
Yes to both, and the acoustic doesn't help at all. And a curious choice of drone, which on my headset seemed to be the subdominant. I admire anyone, though, who can honestly say they've never played too fast when confronted with a recording device, and mangled good intentions, when nervous adrenalin cripples technique though. Or am I being too kind to him - is he just a man of tin ears indeed? Richard. On 30/06/2011 09:22, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: Might be quite good if he played it at half the speed. And got his chanter remotely in tune. Otherwise agree with Francis. Me too. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_11660SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam ---
[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle
And a curious choice of drone, which on my headset seemed to be the subdominant. Yes I admire anyone, though, who can honestly say they've never played too fast when confronted with a recording device, and mangled good intentions, when nervous adrenalin cripples technique though. Or am I being too kind to him - is he just a man of tin ears indeed? Richard. Could have done another take? C To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle
True 'nuff! :) On 30/06/2011 10:20, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: ... Could have done another take? C --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_11671SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam --- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle
-- On Thu, 30/6/11, Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote: It's a lot easier to play Roxborough Castle in dotted rhythm, as is done here. I prefer it played absolutely straight, which is really very challenging. A commonly played tune which is rarely played well. I quite like this rendition here . . . seems to have been videoed during a casual session by a bystander. Hello Francis I think that might be an oversimpification. Stewart Hardy with his years of top notch tuition experience would say that all things (especially speed) being equal dotted rhythms are harder. What we have here is a reduction of speed from the typical rant speed of 96 bpm to a hornpipe at 76 bpm. As you say it is OK but even at that speed he loses his rhythm when it comes to the top As which should be dotted quavers but come out as quick flicks. My first realisation that rants were almost as dotted as hornpipes but 25% faster came at Archie Bertram's when they all played Roxburgh and Hesleyside with almost hornpipe lilt but at a speed which left me floundering. It wasn't the normal straight reel speed of 106 bpm which isn't easy but for me certainly a bit easier that the rant rhythm at 96 bpm. I wondering if other players on the list find the rant speed rhythm a challenge? As for other comments I think you are spot on. Warmest best Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle
Hello Anthony, I don't think we disagree. At Stuart Hardy's musical altitude, I'm sure you're right. That's a level I can only admire but never approach. On a more basic level, playing the tune with a dotted rhythm will get you through in a far less exposed manner than playing straight, which would seem to be an ability to acquire before refining the playing to a more regionally idiomatic expertise. I was fairly OK with the present example because it was reasonably musical and enjoyable . . . and goodness knows, anyway, how long he'd been playing at that booth and under what circumstances. I was harsher on the second YouTube example which was a staged affair as well as being a musical assault. I wondering if other players on the list find the rant speed rhythm a challenge? Well, yes, it is. Good examples are always welcome! All the best, Francis On 30 Jun 2011, at 11:50, Anthony Robb wrote: -- On Thu, 30/6/11, Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote: It's a lot easier to play Roxborough Castle in dotted rhythm, as is done here. I prefer it played absolutely straight, which is really very challenging. A commonly played tune which is rarely played well. I quite like this rendition here . . . seems to have been videoed during a casual session by a bystander. Hello Francis I think that might be an oversimpification. Stewart Hardy with his years of top notch tuition experience would say that all things (especially speed) being equal dotted rhythms are harder. What we have here is a reduction of speed from the typical rant speed of 96 bpm to a hornpipe at 76 bpm. As you say it is OK but even at that speed he loses his rhythm when it comes to the top As which should be dotted quavers but come out as quick flicks. My first realisation that rants were almost as dotted as hornpipes but 25% faster came at Archie Bertram's when they all played Roxburgh and Hesleyside with almost hornpipe lilt but at a speed which left me floundering. It wasn't the normal straight reel speed of 106 bpm which isn't easy but for me certainly a bit easier that the rant rhythm at 96 bpm. I wondering if other players on the list find the rant speed rhythm a challenge? As for other comments I think you are spot on. Warmest best Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle
I'll tell you what worries me. Don't they listen/watch what they are posting for the public? If they don't, why not? If they do, why don't they notice that things are wrong? This guy can obviously play the thing - including the regulators which are tricky at the best of times. I'm guessing it's the X factor syndrome. (The total inability to hear how rubbish YOU are but able to hear exactly how bad everyone else is). I can understand someone learning an instrument in isolation and so not knowing how it should sound but there's plenty of stuff available to compare with these days. Why don't people hear oh, mine doesn't sound like that - especially on a recording. More importantly, why don't they just admit I'm not good enough to go public. Mind you,it's nice to know that there are others as bad as you around :) Colin Hill On 30/06/2011 10:25, Richard York wrote: True 'nuff! :) On 30/06/2011 10:20, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: ... Could have done another take? C --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_11671SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam --- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3733 - Release Date: 06/29/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3735 - Release Date: 06/30/11
