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I don't think we can get back there again, unless the financial fair play rules kick in and a lot of clubs fall on hard times, when we will be very well positioned. We could hope to win a cup and get into Europe but winning the league is unrealisitic. I hope we can get to win a cup but we have to run the club soundly to get there. My personal belief is that a manager makes very little difference to the long term position of a club. I wonder where we would have been had we got into the Prem in the early days with teh likes of Keane, Lescott etc. On 18 October 2011 14:41, Paul Crowe pcr...@contechengineering.com wrote: I respect your view Steve but luckily I have seen us compete in Europe, challenge for the League finishing in the top 6, win 2 x league Cup’s, get to semi-final’s of the FA Cup and be genuinely feared by the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool! I want to see those days again before I cark it! We are not a small club, never have been and never will be. ** ** We can achieve success again. I know it is not as achievable as it was 30 or 40 years ago but it is still possible. Sorry mate but as far as professional sport is concerned if you don’t aim for the Stars you are going to finish nowhere! ** ** Mick has been a great Manager for us, I agree 100% and will always be grateful! He may turn things around for us but I just can’t see it the way we have been playing and with the team he has doggedly kept picking. ** ** Cheers ** ** Paul. ** ** P.S. Nobody did get back to me on the end of year drinks. How about Saturday 17th December around 12pm in The Rocks. Any Pub that the real ale / picky beer drinker’s want to go? ** ** ** ** Paul Crowe Sales Manager - Asia Pacific ConTech (Sydney Office) PO Box 3517 Rhodes Waterside Rhodes NSW 2138 Tel: 02 97396636 Fax: 02 97396542 Mob: 0406009562 Email: pcr...@contechengineering.com Website: www.contechengineering.com ** ** *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Millward *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 October 2011 1:24 PM *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Forums ** ** Mol Mix is just full of webmongs now. I barely go on anymore. The instant reaction on Monday was who should replace Mick? O'Neill or Hughes? The negativity on there is just like this email board. It's mostly people that don't go to games, don't contribute to the club financially, know nothing about football and have a dogmatic view on what the problem is and yet just want to go on and on about sacking Mick or playing players that aren't fit or good enough. (I don't claim to know a lot about football). I never expected for us to stay up for three seasons. I've been very happy with what has gone on the last few years, and as such I've got more pleasure and less angst out of supporting Wolves than at any time since I was at primary school. I don't believe I can really get irate about what is going on as I don't really have a stake in the club; it's free entertainment. I think Mick has been a great manager for us and he'd be the right man to get us back up if we go down. As far as ambition is concerned we are small club in a poor area of Britain that is punching above its weight. I think bottom end of the table, fighting relegation every season is about as much as we can hope for at the moment. I can live with that. On 18 October 2011 11:24, Marcus Chantry marcus.chan...@macquarie.com wrote: I don’t necessarily think it is about being less patient. Trying to take an impartial viewpoint, it seems to me that the differences in opinion stem from a range of things such as ambition, peoples interpretation of what constitutes “short-term” i.e. are people focussing on just the 5 losses in a row or trends going back through previous seasons, peoples perceived understanding (or lack of) of tactics and team selections. There is also the old age argument about people not being allowed to comment if they weren’t at the match to see it in real life. I’d argue that watching it live on TV, with the benefit of multiple angles and replays, us television watchers are actually better placed to have an objective opinion uninfluenced by crowd reaction and other doomsayers/happy clappers sitting around us. I’m with you though Paul. I’ve seen nothing in the past 5 losses (except for the ability to keep possession in the middle of the pitch) that suggests our coaches have any idea how to remedy the poor form. But more worryingly, I can’t see any significant progress being made in terms of personnel relative to the teams that we are supposed to be competing with. *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul
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But if your personal belief is that the manager makes very little difference to the success of the club, why are you up in arms about the fact that a lot of supporters want to change the manager? By your own admission it will have minimal impact so it shouldn't worry you or have I misunderstood your statement. From: Steven Millward [mailto:millward@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 06:15 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Forums I don't think we can get back there again, unless the financial fair play rules kick in and a lot of clubs fall on hard times, when we will be very well positioned. We could hope to win a cup and get into Europe but winning the league is unrealisitic. I hope we can get to win a cup but we have to run the club soundly to get there. My personal belief is that a manager makes very little difference to the long term position of a club. I wonder where we would have been had we got into the Prem in the early days with teh likes of Keane, Lescott etc. On 18 October 2011 14:41, Paul Crowe pcr...@contechengineering.com wrote: I respect your view Steve but luckily I have seen us compete in Europe, challenge for the League finishing in the top 6, win 2 x league Cup’s, get to semi-final’s of the FA Cup and be genuinely feared by the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool! I want to see those days again before I cark it! We are not a small club, never have been and never will be. We can achieve success again. I know it is not as achievable as it was 30 or 40 years ago but it is still possible. Sorry mate but as far as professional sport is concerned if you don’t aim for the Stars you are going to finish nowhere! Mick has been a great Manager for us, I agree 100% and will always be grateful! He may turn things around for us but I just can’t see it the way we have been playing and with the team he has doggedly kept picking. Cheers Paul. P.S. Nobody did get back to me on the end of year drinks. How about Saturday 17th December around 12pm in The Rocks. Any Pub that the real ale / picky beer drinker’s want to go? Paul Crowe Sales Manager - Asia Pacific ConTech (Sydney Office) PO Box 3517 Rhodes Waterside Rhodes NSW 2138 Tel: 02 97396636 Fax: 02 97396542 Mob: 0406009562 Email: pcr...@contechengineering.com Website: www.contechengineering.com http://www.contechengineering.com/ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011 1:24 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Forums Mol Mix is just full of webmongs now. I barely go on anymore. The instant reaction on Monday was who should replace Mick? O'Neill or Hughes? The negativity on there is just like this email board. It's mostly people that don't go to games, don't contribute to the club financially, know nothing about football and have a dogmatic view on what the problem is and yet just want to go on and on about sacking Mick or playing players that aren't fit or good enough. (I don't claim to know a lot about football). I never expected for us to stay up for three seasons. I've been very happy with what has gone on the last few years, and as such I've got more pleasure and less angst out of supporting Wolves than at any time since I was at primary school. I don't believe I can really get irate about what is going on as I don't really have a stake in the club; it's free entertainment. I think Mick has been a great manager for us and he'd be the right man to get us back up if we go down. As far as ambition is concerned we are small club in a poor area of Britain that is punching above its weight. I think bottom end of the table, fighting relegation every season is about as much as we can hope for at the moment. I can live with that. On 18 October 2011 11:24, Marcus Chantry marcus.chan...@macquarie.com wrote: I don’t necessarily think it is about being less patient. Trying to take an impartial viewpoint, it seems to me that the differences in opinion stem from a range of things such as ambition, peoples interpretation of what constitutes “short-term” i.e. are people focussing on just the 5 losses in a row or trends going back through previous seasons, peoples perceived understanding (or lack of) of tactics and team selections. There is also the old age argument about people not being allowed to comment if they weren’t at the match to see it in real life. I’d argue that watching it live on TV, with the benefit of
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The expense of sacking him could be spent better on players On 18 October 2011 18:47, Marcus Chantry marcus.chan...@macquarie.comwrote: But if your personal belief is that the manager makes very little difference to the success of the club, why are you up in arms about the fact that a lot of supporters want to change the manager? By your own admission it will have minimal impact so it shouldn't worry you or have I misunderstood your statement. *From*: Steven Millward [mailto:millward@gmail.com] *Sent*: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 06:15 PM *To*: nswolves@googlegroups.com nswolves@googlegroups.com *Subject*: Re: [NSWolves] Forums I don't think we can get back there again, unless the financial fair play rules kick in and a lot of clubs fall on hard times, when we will be very well positioned. We could hope to win a cup and get into Europe but winning the league is unrealisitic. I hope we can get to win a cup but we have to run the club soundly to get there. My personal belief is that a manager makes very little difference to the long term position of a club. I wonder where we would have been had we got into the Prem in the early days with teh likes of Keane, Lescott etc. On 18 October 2011 14:41, Paul Crowe pcr...@contechengineering.comwrote: I respect your view Steve but luckily I have seen us compete in Europe, challenge for the League finishing in the top 6, win 2 x league Cup’s, get to semi-final’s of the FA Cup and be genuinely feared by the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool! I want to see those days again before I cark it! We are not a small club, never have been and never will be. ** ** We can achieve success again. I know it is not as achievable as it was 30 or 40 years ago but it is still possible. Sorry mate but as far as professional sport is concerned if you don’t aim for the Stars you are going to finish nowhere! ** ** Mick has been a great Manager for us, I agree 100% and will always be grateful! He may turn things around for us but I just can’t see it the way we have been playing and with the team he has doggedly kept picking. ** ** Cheers ** ** Paul. ** ** P.S. Nobody did get back to me on the end of year drinks. How about Saturday 17th December around 12pm in The Rocks. Any Pub that the real ale / picky beer drinker’s want to go? ** ** ** ** Paul Crowe Sales Manager - Asia Pacific ConTech (Sydney Office) PO Box 3517 Rhodes Waterside Rhodes NSW 2138 Tel: 02 97396636 Fax: 02 97396542 Mob: 0406009562 Email: pcr...@contechengineering.com Website: www.contechengineering.com ** ** *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Millward *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 October 2011 1:24 PM *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Forums ** ** Mol Mix is just full of webmongs now. I barely go on anymore. The instant reaction on Monday was who should replace Mick? O'Neill or Hughes? The negativity on there is just like this email board. It's mostly people that don't go to games, don't contribute to the club financially, know nothing about football and have a dogmatic view on what the problem is and yet just want to go on and on about sacking Mick or playing players that aren't fit or good enough. (I don't claim to know a lot about football). I never expected for us to stay up for three seasons. I've been very happy with what has gone on the last few years, and as such I've got more pleasure and less angst out of supporting Wolves than at any time since I was at primary school. I don't believe I can really get irate about what is going on as I don't really have a stake in the club; it's free entertainment. I think Mick has been a great manager for us and he'd be the right man to get us back up if we go down. As far as ambition is concerned we are small club in a poor area of Britain that is punching above its weight. I think bottom end of the table, fighting relegation every season is about as much as we can hope for at the moment. I can live with that. On 18 October 2011 11:24, Marcus Chantry marcus.chan...@macquarie.com wrote: I don’t necessarily think it is about being less patient. Trying to take an impartial viewpoint, it seems to me that the differences in opinion stem from a range of things such as ambition, peoples interpretation of what constitutes “short-term” i.e. are people focussing on just the 5 losses in a row or trends going back through previous seasons, peoples perceived understanding (or lack of) of tactics and team selections. There is also the old age argument about people not being allowed to comment if they weren’t at the match to see it in real life. I’d argue that watching it live on TV, with the benefit of multiple angles and replays,
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At the risk of repeating myself indefinitely: Marcus, on the basis of the players in the squads, where should we be in the league and which teams should be below us? On 18 October 2011 18:47, Marcus Chantry marcus.chan...@macquarie.comwrote: But if your personal belief is that the manager makes very little difference to the success of the club, why are you up in arms about the fact that a lot of supporters want to change the manager? By your own admission it will have minimal impact so it shouldn't worry you or have I misunderstood your statement. *From*: Steven Millward [mailto:millward@gmail.com] *Sent*: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 06:15 PM *To*: nswolves@googlegroups.com nswolves@googlegroups.com *Subject*: Re: [NSWolves] Forums I don't think we can get back there again, unless the financial fair play rules kick in and a lot of clubs fall on hard times, when we will be very well positioned. We could hope to win a cup and get into Europe but winning the league is unrealisitic. I hope we can get to win a cup but we have to run the club soundly to get there. My personal belief is that a manager makes very little difference to the long term position of a club. I wonder where we would have been had we got into the Prem in the early days with teh likes of Keane, Lescott etc. On 18 October 2011 14:41, Paul Crowe pcr...@contechengineering.comwrote: I respect your view Steve but luckily I have seen us compete in Europe, challenge for the League finishing in the top 6, win 2 x league Cup’s, get to semi-final’s of the FA Cup and be genuinely feared by the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool! I want to see those days again before I cark it! We are not a small club, never have been and never will be. ** ** We can achieve success again. I know it is not as achievable as it was 30 or 40 years ago but it is still possible. Sorry mate but as far as professional sport is concerned if you don’t aim for the Stars you are going to finish nowhere! ** ** Mick has been a great Manager for us, I agree 100% and will always be grateful! He may turn things around for us but I just can’t see it the way we have been playing and with the team he has doggedly kept picking. ** ** Cheers ** ** Paul. ** ** P.S. Nobody did get back to me on the end of year drinks. How about Saturday 17th December around 12pm in The Rocks. Any Pub that the real ale / picky beer drinker’s want to go? ** ** ** ** Paul Crowe Sales Manager - Asia Pacific ConTech (Sydney Office) PO Box 3517 Rhodes Waterside Rhodes NSW 2138 Tel: 02 97396636 Fax: 02 97396542 Mob: 0406009562 Email: pcr...@contechengineering.com Website: www.contechengineering.com ** ** *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Millward *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 October 2011 1:24 PM *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Forums ** ** Mol Mix is just full of webmongs now. I barely go on anymore. The instant reaction on Monday was who should replace Mick? O'Neill or Hughes? The negativity on there is just like this email board. It's mostly people that don't go to games, don't contribute to the club financially, know nothing about football and have a dogmatic view on what the problem is and yet just want to go on and on about sacking Mick or playing players that aren't fit or good enough. (I don't claim to know a lot about football). I never expected for us to stay up for three seasons. I've been very happy with what has gone on the last few years, and as such I've got more pleasure and less angst out of supporting Wolves than at any time since I was at primary school. I don't believe I can really get irate about what is going on as I don't really have a stake in the club; it's free entertainment. I think Mick has been a great manager for us and he'd be the right man to get us back up if we go down. As far as ambition is concerned we are small club in a poor area of Britain that is punching above its weight. I think bottom end of the table, fighting relegation every season is about as much as we can hope for at the moment. I can live with that. On 18 October 2011 11:24, Marcus Chantry marcus.chan...@macquarie.com wrote: I don’t necessarily think it is about being less patient. Trying to take an impartial viewpoint, it seems to me that the differences in opinion stem from a range of things such as ambition, peoples interpretation of what constitutes “short-term” i.e. are people focussing on just the 5 losses in a row or trends going back through previous seasons, peoples perceived understanding (or lack of) of tactics and team selections. There is also the old age argument about people not being allowed to comment if they weren’t at the match to see
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So the team is actually performing above the level that you would expect? All credit to Mick and the lads then. I don't think anyone wants to live near Wolverhampton for the wages we are willing to pay. On 18 October 2011 20:14, Marcus Chantry marcus.chan...@macquarie.comwrote: I think with the players that we have in the squad we should be in the relegation zone. Therein lies a big part of my concern; last season we stayed up by the skin of our teeth which should have alerted management to the fact that we needed strengthening and that a change in tactics might be considered. Instead, for whatever the reasons may be, we were unable to strengthen other than to add a central defender. There has been no noticeable change in our tactics so its understandable that we are again going to struggle. This is the very reason that I'm annoyed with wolves management at all levels, not just singling out mick. *From*: Steven Millward [mailto:millward@gmail.com] *Sent*: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 07:56 PM *To*: nswolves@googlegroups.com nswolves@googlegroups.com *Subject*: Re: [NSWolves] Forums At the risk of repeating myself indefinitely: Marcus, on the basis of the players in the squads, where should we be in the league and which teams should be below us? On 18 October 2011 18:47, Marcus Chantry marcus.chan...@macquarie.comwrote: But if your personal belief is that the manager makes very little difference to the success of the club, why are you up in arms about the fact that a lot of supporters want to change the manager? By your own admission it will have minimal impact so it shouldn't worry you or have I misunderstood your statement. *From*: Steven Millward [mailto:millward@gmail.com] *Sent*: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 06:15 PM *To*: nswolves@googlegroups.com nswolves@googlegroups.com *Subject*: Re: [NSWolves] Forums I don't think we can get back there again, unless the financial fair play rules kick in and a lot of clubs fall on hard times, when we will be very well positioned. We could hope to win a cup and get into Europe but winning the league is unrealisitic. I hope we can get to win a cup but we have to run the club soundly to get there. My personal belief is that a manager makes very little difference to the long term position of a club. I wonder where we would have been had we got into the Prem in the early days with teh likes of Keane, Lescott etc. On 18 October 2011 14:41, Paul Crowe pcr...@contechengineering.comwrote: I respect your view Steve but luckily I have seen us compete in Europe, challenge for the League finishing in the top 6, win 2 x league Cup’s, get to semi-final’s of the FA Cup and be genuinely feared by the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool! I want to see those days again before I cark it! We are not a small club, never have been and never will be. ** ** We can achieve success again. I know it is not as achievable as it was 30 or 40 years ago but it is still possible. Sorry mate but as far as professional sport is concerned if you don’t aim for the Stars you are going to finish nowhere! ** ** Mick has been a great Manager for us, I agree 100% and will always be grateful! He may turn things around for us but I just can’t see it the way we have been playing and with the team he has doggedly kept picking. *** * ** ** Cheers ** ** Paul. ** ** P.S. Nobody did get back to me on the end of year drinks. How about Saturday 17th December around 12pm in The Rocks. Any Pub that the real ale / picky beer drinker’s want to go? ** ** ** ** Paul Crowe Sales Manager - Asia Pacific ConTech (Sydney Office) PO Box 3517 Rhodes Waterside Rhodes NSW 2138 Tel: 02 97396636 Fax: 02 97396542 Mob: 0406009562 Email: pcr...@contechengineering.com Website: www.contechengineering.com ** ** *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Millward *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 October 2011 1:24 PM *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Forums ** ** Mol Mix is just full of webmongs now. I barely go on anymore. The instant reaction on Monday was who should replace Mick? O'Neill or Hughes? The negativity on there is just like this email board. It's mostly people that don't go to games, don't contribute to the club financially, know nothing about football and have a dogmatic view on what the problem is and yet just want to go on and on about sacking Mick or playing players that aren't fit or good enough. (I don't claim to know a lot about football). I never expected for us to stay up for three seasons. I've been very happy with what has gone on the last few years, and as such I've got more pleasure and less angst out of supporting Wolves than at any time since I was at primary school. I don't believe I can really get irate
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What's the matter? Too negative for you? On 19 October 2011 08:12, Richard Cox rich...@tpg.com.au wrote: Or is it like the Hotel California? -- Marcus thinks Mick is a superb manager -- Marcus thinks Mick is a superb manager
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Yes Richard, thats right, theres no way out. Supporting Wolves is a life long suffering there is no escape from. You can change your room, but you can't checkout. You can run, but you can't hide. You think you're free, but sooner or later you'll walk around the corner and see another loser in a Old Gold and Black shirt, and you'll start wondering again... I wonder where they are in the league now? (should be IF they are still in the league) They must be doing better by now ? (no, they wont be) I wonder if they've found another Steve Bull ? (no, theres more chance of him making a comeback) Have they still got that Mick McCarthy as manager ? (yes, they probably will) Have they bought any decent players yet (no, they wont have) We must all be paying a penance for a high price for being horrible people in previous incarnations. But we have probably chosen to be Wolves fans as I hear the more suffering you choose in each life, the greater growth you can achieve. So when we get to the pearly gates, we'll all be in for a BIG heavenly payout that will make 500 virgins seem like childs play. I'm sure Steve will take you off the list. But what will you tell God when he meets you and he asks why you walked out on your chosen suffering ? Out of Darkness remember... ;-) -Original Message- From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Cox Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 7:13 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Can someone pls remove me from this googlegroup? Or is it like the Hotel California? -- Marcus thinks Mick is a superb manager -- Marcus thinks Mick is a superb manager
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I have often wondered how my life would have changed if, on that fateful Wednesday night in 1966, my Dad had taken me to Old Trafford instead of Molineux. It's rather like dreaming of winning lotto: a few minutes of fantasy and then back to reality. Nevertheless, it was Molineux that night and I was immediately under the Wolves spell. I really don't know how anyone can stop supporting them. Remember those few minutes back in 80's when we almost went bust, and the Doog came through at the last minute to save us (albeit temporarily). I was on the 'phone to England where dad had the receiver against the radio with live coverage of events. The sheer joy of being saved. I still think of that moment when things look bleak. Prefer to support a Wolves side wherever they may be, and long as they are there. We will have our time in the sun again sometime. -Original Message- From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mark worrall Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 8:33 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [NSWolves] Can someone pls remove me from this googlegroup? Yes Richard, thats right, theres no way out. Supporting Wolves is a life long suffering there is no escape from. You can change your room, but you can't checkout. You can run, but you can't hide. You think you're free, but sooner or later you'll walk around the corner and see another loser in a Old Gold and Black shirt, and you'll start wondering again... I wonder where they are in the league now? (should be IF they are still in the league) They must be doing better by now ? (no, they wont be) I wonder if they've found another Steve Bull ? (no, theres more chance of him making a comeback) Have they still got that Mick McCarthy as manager ? (yes, they probably will) Have they bought any decent players yet (no, they wont have) We must all be paying a penance for a high price for being horrible people in previous incarnations. But we have probably chosen to be Wolves fans as I hear the more suffering you choose in each life, the greater growth you can achieve. So when we get to the pearly gates, we'll all be in for a BIG heavenly payout that will make 500 virgins seem like childs play. I'm sure Steve will take you off the list. But what will you tell God when he meets you and he asks why you walked out on your chosen suffering ? Out of Darkness remember... ;-) -Original Message- From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Cox Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 7:13 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: [NSWolves] Can someone pls remove me from this googlegroup? Or is it like the Hotel California? -- Marcus thinks Mick is a superb manager -- Marcus thinks Mick is a superb manager CAUTION: This message is intended only for the named addressee. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution is prohibited and may be unlawful. By opening any attachment, you agree that the Munich Re Group will not be liable for any loss resulting from viruses or other defects. Any views in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly and with authority states them to be the views of the Munich Re Group. The Munich Re Group will not be liable for any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance upon the contents of this message. -- Marcus thinks Mick is a superb manager
