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Re: [NTG-context] \placelist disturbs grid?

2005-08-05 Thread Hans Hagen


Vit Zyka wrote:


Hans Hagen wrote:


Vit Zyka wrote:


Hello Hans, Taco, and the next gurus,

sorry for bother with another thing I can not understand. Very high 
glyphs like \v S disturb grid in the \placelist. The same glyph in 
the common paragraph with the same (intentionally) interline setting 
preserves grid:


---
\setupbodyfont[10pt,rm]
\setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]
\setuplayout[grid=yes,width=8cm]
\showgrid

\writetolist[section]{}{See the next line:}
\writetolist[section]{}{\v Sejba}
\writetolist[section]{}{Another list line}

\starttext
\v Sejba\par
Here grid is OK, but in \type{placelist}:

\placelist[section]

no!
\stoptext
--
I was looking in definitions for some font-size dependent line 
setting, I also tried to

\setuplist[section]{style=\baselineskip=12pt\lineskiplimit=-10pt}
but without success to lounging on the grid.





this is the default ratio:

\setupinterlinespace
 [height=.72,
  depth=.28]



Thank you Hans; after some experimenting I understood:
- height and depth in \setupinterlinespace are baseline-ratio/size of 
struts (add description to tex-show)

- some my chars (/,\v S, \tfa, ...) oversized \strut size of any ratio
- list items are typeset with struts (perhaps all alternative)
- only alternative without strut is 'none' with command=\Mycommand def

So I do know how to preserve grid. But I do not know HOW TO TYPESET 
\Mycommand TO FIT THE PARAGRAPH WIDTH. It seem it is not in the 
restricted horizontal mode and continue on one long line. And another 
question/request: can the list distance param (alternative d,...) be 
glue instead of skip? For better line fitting.


example:
--
\setupbodyfont[10pt,rm]
\setupinterlinespace[line=12pt,height=.77,depth=.23]
\setuplayout[grid=yes,width=8cm]
\showgrid

\setuplist[section]
  [style=\tfd,alternative=none,command=\MyListItem]
\def\MyListItem#1#2#3{{\tfb (#1-#2-#3) }}

\starttext
\writetolist[section]{}{See the next line}
\writetolist[section]{}{\v Sejba}
\writetolist[section]{}{Another list line}
\writetolist[section]{}{And the last one}

\lineskiplimit=-10pt
Line\par
Anothet line of \v Sejba\par

\placelist[section]

\strut  %% should be! why?
After list line.

\stoptext
--

Vit


\setuplist
 [section]
 [style=\tfd,
  alternative=none,
  after=\blank,
  before=\blank,
  command=\MyListItem]

\setuplist
 [section]
 [style=\tfd,
  alternative=command
  command=\MyListItem]

in core-lst you can see how the alternatives are defined 

ok, let's give you a bonus (goes in cont-new): 

\unprotect 


\def\definelistplacement
 {\dodoubleempty\dodefinelistplacement}

\def\dodefinelistplacement[#1][#2]%
 {\setvalue{\@@dodolistelement#1}%
{\doifelsenothing{#2}
   {\getvalue{\@@dodolistelement\v!command}}%
   {\executeifdefined{\@@dodolistelement#2}
  {\getvalue{\@@dodolistelement\v!command}}}%
\setvalue{\??li\currentlist\c!command}%
  {\getvalue{\@@dodolistelement::#1}}}%
  \setvalue{\@@dodolistelement::#1}}

\definelistplacement[MyListItem][none]#1#2#3%
 {\listparameter{style} (#1 - #2 - #3) }

\protect 

now you can say: 


\definelistplacement[MyListItem][none]#1#2#3%
 {\listparameter{style} (#1 - #2 - #3) }

\setuplist
 [section]
 [style=\tfd,
  alternative=MyListItem,
  after=\blank,
  before=\blank]

(btw, watch how one can ask for listparameters)  


\definelistplacement[MyListItem][none]#1#2#3%
 {\listparameter{style} (#1 - #2 - #3) }

\setuplist
 [section]
 [style=\tfd,
  alternative=MyListItem,
  after=\blank,
  before=\blank]

\definelistplacement[MyListItem][none]#1#2#3%
 {\listparameter{before}
  \listparameter{style} (#1 - #2 - #3) 
  \listparameter{after}}




Hans 
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[NTG-context] tex vs etex

2005-08-05 Thread Hans Hagen


Hi,

Is anyone using tex i.e. not pdfetex/aleph/xetex? I'd likt to go etex 
only which in the end is needed anyway since we run out of token list 
registers (in etex more we're already past 255)


Hans

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[NTG-context] Sorting index (in Spanish)

2005-08-05 Thread Mari Voipio



Dear Fellow-Contexters,

I have been charged with editing a ConTeXt document in Spanish (of which 
I understand preciously little). This far I have gotten over the hurdles 
of hyphenation, labeltexts and the upside-down exclamation mark (and as 
far as we can tell, the Spanish hyphenation patterns get loaded, too), 
but now I have a problem sorting the index: the words 'ángulo' and 
'índice' get sorted in the beginning of the index instead of among a and i.


It tried putting something like the example below in a) the setup part 
of my document, b) just before the index (a bit like in the example at 
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2005/008346.html, except that 
I use the command \placeindex and not \completeindex) and c) in the 
lang-ita.tex file.


% Changes to sorting to fix the sorting of accented letters
\startlanguagespecifics[es]
\definesortkey {\´a}{a}{a}{\´a}  % á sorted among 'a'
\definesortkey {\´i}{i}{i}{\´i}  % í sorted among 'i'
\stoplanguagespecifics

None of the options a)-c) worked and I'm thinking that this is more of a 
 stupid user problem, i.e. as I cannot find any description on how 
\definesortkey works, I just don't understand how to use it properly.



Any help???

Mari


PS. Tried to find related info in contextgarden.net, but can't find much 
 - if it isn't there, I can add stuff (*after* I solve this problem) if 
somebody tells me where I may start growing this flower of mine.


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Re: [NTG-context] Sorting index (in Spanish)

2005-08-05 Thread Hans Hagen


Mari Voipio wrote:



Dear Fellow-Contexters,

I have been charged with editing a ConTeXt document in Spanish (of 
which I understand preciously little). This far I have gotten over the 
hurdles of hyphenation, labeltexts and the upside-down exclamation 
mark (and as far as we can tell, the Spanish hyphenation patterns get 
loaded, too), but now I have a problem sorting the index: the words 
'ángulo' and 'índice' get sorted in the beginning of the index instead 
of among a and i.


It tried putting something like the example below in a) the setup part 
of my document, b) just before the index (a bit like in the example at 
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2005/008346.html, except 
that I use the command \placeindex and not \completeindex) and c) in 
the lang-ita.tex file.


% Changes to sorting to fix the sorting of accented letters
\startlanguagespecifics[es]
\definesortkey {\´a}{a}{a}{\´a}  % á sorted among 'a'
\definesortkey {\´i}{i}{i}{\´i}  % í sorted among 'i'
\stoplanguagespecifics

None of the options a)-c) worked and I'm thinking that this is more of 
a  stupid user problem, i.e. as I cannot find any description on how 
\definesortkey works, I just don't understand how to use it properly.



Any help???


let's try the new texutil variant since that can have language plugins 

needed: 

= example file in spanish 
= sort order 

Hans 


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RE: [NTG-context] tex vs etex

2005-08-05 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid

Hi Hans,

I only use aleph and pdfetex. I am concerned however, because aleph uses an 
older version of etex, and so there may be unintended consequences 
( bad for me-)

Giuseppe is busy, but maybe he has some initial thoughts on this?

Best
Idris

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Hi,

Is anyone using tex i.e. not pdfetex/aleph/xetex? I'd likt to go etex
only which in the end is needed anyway since we run out of token list
registers (in etex more we're already past 255)


Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

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Re: [NTG-context] tex vs etex

2005-08-05 Thread Hans Hagen


Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:


Hi Hans,

I only use aleph and pdfetex. I am concerned however, because aleph uses an 
older version of etex, and so there may be unintended consequences 
( bad for me-)
 

don't worry, the things that i use are available in aleph; also, the 
formerly broken register stuff in etex (year ago) does not apply to 
aleph which uses a different model


(actually, if you use aleph, context already enters etex mode -)


Giuseppe is busy, but maybe he has some initial thoughts on this?
 


...

Hans



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Re: [NTG-context] Presentation

2005-08-05 Thread andrea valle

I obtain the same results from this file named demoTest put in the 
demoTest folder on my desktop, starting form s-pre-p.



% demoTest
\usemodule[pre-08]
%D The demo text.

\starttext

\TitlePage
  {Fancy Styles:\\layers}

\StartIdea
  \StartSample
\input tufte
  \StopSample
  \StartText
\input reich
  \StopText
\StopIdea

\StartIdea
  \StartSample
\input knuth
  \StopSample
  \StartText
\input reich
  \StopText
\StopIdea

\stoptext

% EOF

I'm looking at the console to see what's happening but don't know what 
to I should check

My s-pre files are in /sw/share/texmf/tex/context/base

I was looking forward to make my presentations... :-(

Thanks!

-a-


On 4 Aug 2005, at 22:32, Matthias Weber wrote:


I have the same setup (TeX installation via Gerben's iinstaller).

You haven't by any chance called the file you are TeXing also 
s-pre-22.tex?

This would explain it ---

Matthias

On Aug 3, 2005, at 3:36 PM, andrea valle wrote:


Hi,
very interesting. But I'm having troubles. Probably because I'm 
pretty new to this kind of stuff (I'm using ConTeXt very basically).


I made a demoTest.tex filestarting from s-pre-22.tex.
I copied the demo part of s-pre-22.

Here it is:

%D \module
%D   [  file=s-pre-22,

\usemodule[s-pre-22]
%D The demo text.

\starttext
etc.


Now,  I compiled but I obtained:

! Undefined control sequence.
l.9 \TitlePage
  {Indeed}{The Title Page}


What am I missing?

Thanks a lot

-a-




On 3 Aug 2005, at 15:31, piskala upendran wrote:


Hi, Jessica

The context/base has so many modules s-pre-**.tex. At
the end of the module you have the examples are given.
copy the examples in seperate file and add the module
no name from with the example was taken.

\usemodule[pre-**]
 and compile the files. iam sure you can select your
flavour. you can also tweat the colors to suit your
requirement.

thanks
upendran

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Re: [NTG-context] Presentation

2005-08-05 Thread Mojca Miklavec

andrea valle wrote:
 I obtain the same results from this file named demoTest put in the
 demoTest folder on my desktop, starting form s-pre-p.
 
 
 % demoTest
 \usemodule[pre-08]
 %D The demo text.
 
 \starttext
 
 \TitlePage
{Fancy Styles:\\layers}
 
 \StartIdea
\StartSample
  \input tufte
\StopSample
\StartText
  \input reich
\StopText
 \StopIdea
 
 \StartIdea
\StartSample
  \input knuth
\StopSample
\StartText
  \input reich
\StopText
 \StopIdea
 
 \stoptext
 
 % EOF
 
 I'm looking at the console to see what's happening but don't know what
 to I should check
 My s-pre files are in /sw/share/texmf/tex/context/base
 
 I was looking forward to make my presentations... :-(
 
 Thanks!
 
 -a-

Hi, Andrea,

Just no panic, everything can be solved.

I noticed two problems:

1. remove \input reich (or replace the reich it with any other tex
file residing in the tex/context/sample/ directory)
(reich.tex is written in Dutch interface, I don't know if that's
intentionally, but as nobody ever uses it, nobody else noticed that
anyway. Probably either the reich.tex itself or at least the demo
example should be changed in the official distribution.)

2. \setupbodyfont[pos,10pt] in s-pre-08.tex
I think this is already a deprecated way for font selecting now, but
as have more problems than knowledge  benefit about/from fonts,
someone else has to tell you what's the best way to overcome this.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Presentation

2005-08-05 Thread Saji N. Hameed


Hi Andrea,

I would like to add to Mojca's second comment.  A possible way to deal
with the font problem is to use a font that is already in your system.
I tried using the Lucida Bright Font and it worked. First I copied
s-pre-08.tex into my working directory and renamed it to my-pre.tex.
Then I changed the following line

 \setupbodyfont[pos,10pt]


into
\setupbodyfont[lbr,10pt]

and used
\usemodule[my-pre] instead of \usemodule[pre-08] in my source file.

saji

p.s: If you have the time, a great way to learn ConTeXt is to
 go through the source code of the modules and use the ConTeXt manuals
 to understand them...


On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Mojca Miklavec wrote:


andrea valle wrote:

I obtain the same results from this file named demoTest put in the
demoTest folder on my desktop, starting form s-pre-p.


% demoTest
\usemodule[pre-08]
%D The demo text.

\starttext

\TitlePage
   {Fancy Styles:\\layers}

\StartIdea
   \StartSample
 \input tufte
   \StopSample
   \StartText
 \input reich
   \StopText
\StopIdea

\StartIdea
   \StartSample
 \input knuth
   \StopSample
   \StartText
 \input reich
   \StopText
\StopIdea

\stoptext

% EOF

I'm looking at the console to see what's happening but don't know what
to I should check
My s-pre files are in /sw/share/texmf/tex/context/base

I was looking forward to make my presentations... :-(

Thanks!

-a-


Hi, Andrea,

Just no panic, everything can be solved.

I noticed two problems:

1. remove \input reich (or replace the reich it with any other tex
file residing in the tex/context/sample/ directory)
(reich.tex is written in Dutch interface, I don't know if that's
intentionally, but as nobody ever uses it, nobody else noticed that
anyway. Probably either the reich.tex itself or at least the demo
example should be changed in the official distribution.)

2. \setupbodyfont[pos,10pt] in s-pre-08.tex
I think this is already a deprecated way for font selecting now, but
as have more problems than knowledge  benefit about/from fonts,
someone else has to tell you what's the best way to overcome this.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Presentation

2005-08-05 Thread Matthias Weber


Hi Andrea,

I think there are now two different issues causing problems here.

i) There is a font problem with s-pre-08, as noted by Mojca and Saji,
but you don't get far enough to run into it.
On Aug 5, 2005, at 5:07 PM, andrea valle wrote:

ii) You are using funny characters in your file. When I copy and paste 
your input into TeXShop,
I get the same error message, which baffled me quite a bit. Then I  
noticed when I remove the blank line
between % demoTest and \TitlePage, the latter will be become colored 
like a comment. This means that
your line end characters aren't the right ones. You can make this 
plainly visible by opening your file
with something like BBedit. There is a funny character in front of 
\TitlePage. You need to get rid of it.



Unfortunately, I have no idea how you managed to get the character in 
the first place. Are you using MacOsRoman as the encoding

(shows in Save As)?

Try to paste the following into TeXShop (I guess you will then run into 
a font issue later...)


\usemodule[pre-08]

\starttext
\TitlePage
  {Fancy Styles:\\layers}

\StartIdea
  \StartSample
\input tufte
  \StopSample
  \StartText
\input reich
  \StopText
\StopIdea

\StartIdea
  \StartSample
\input knuth
  \StopSample
  \StartText
\input reich
  \StopText
\StopIdea

\stoptext



Matthias


I obtain the same results from this file named demoTest put in the 
demoTest folder on my desktop, starting form s-pre-p.



% demoTest
\usemodule[pre-08]
%D The demo text.

\starttext

\TitlePage
  {Fancy Styles:\\layers}

\StartIdea
  \StartSample
\input tufte
  \StopSample
  \StartText
\input reich
  \StopText
\StopIdea

\StartIdea
  \StartSample
\input knuth
  \StopSample
  \StartText
\input reich
  \StopText
\StopIdea

\stoptext

% EOF

I'm looking at the console to see what's happening but don't know what 
to I should check

My s-pre files are in /sw/share/texmf/tex/context/base

I was looking forward to make my presentations... :-(

Thanks!

-a-


On 4 Aug 2005, at 22:32, Matthias Weber wrote:


I have the same setup (TeX installation via Gerben's iinstaller).

You haven't by any chance called the file you are TeXing also 
s-pre-22.tex?

This would explain it ---

Matthias

On Aug 3, 2005, at 3:36 PM, andrea valle wrote:


Hi,
very interesting. But I'm having troubles. Probably because I'm 
pretty new to this kind of stuff (I'm using ConTeXt very basically).


I made a demoTest.tex filestarting from s-pre-22.tex.
I copied the demo part of s-pre-22.

Here it is:

%D \module
%D   [  file=s-pre-22,

\usemodule[s-pre-22]
%D The demo text.

\starttext
etc.


Now,  I compiled but I obtained:

! Undefined control sequence.
l.9 \TitlePage
  {Indeed}{The Title Page}


What am I missing?

Thanks a lot

-a-




On 3 Aug 2005, at 15:31, piskala upendran wrote:


Hi, Jessica

The context/base has so many modules s-pre-**.tex. At
the end of the module you have the examples are given.
copy the examples in seperate file and add the module
no name from with the example was taken.

\usemodule[pre-**]
 and compile the files. iam sure you can select your
flavour. you can also tweat the colors to suit your
requirement.

thanks
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