[NTG-context] paragraph with a shape

2006-10-23 Thread Victoria Brown
How do I shape a paragraph like a mouth? 
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[NTG-context] ConTeXt on Debian: The wiki entry

2006-10-23 Thread Frank Küster
Hi everybody,

this mail has a double purpose.  At the end, there's a call for testers
of a new (planned) Debian ConTeXt package that would be updated more
frequently than now (at least in unstable and testing), where ConTeXt is
tied to teTeX's or TeXlive's release cycles.  But first, I'd like to
talk about 

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Debian_installation

Are some of the people around who wrote this?  I found some information
in it misleading and in part just wrong (this has already been pointed
out two weaks ago by plink), and have started to edit the page to
change the parts that give us, the Debian TeX maintaines, most
headache.  But in the lower part, Steps to finish a first context
upgrade, I felt lost.  If these steps are really needed, then there's
something seriously wrong in Debian's (and probably upstream's)
packaging of ConTeXt.  Therefore I didn't just change the text to
reflect how I think it should work.  Instead, we should try to figure
out together whether it in fact does not work as it should, and then fix
the Debian packages (hopefully still possible for etch).

So the specific question I have are:

- Is it intended that context formats end up in $TEXMF/web2c/pdfetex/?
  If yes, why is that so?  If not, we should rather find out why it
  happens and fix it.

- Why does it make a difference if the formats are created by fmtutil
  instead of texexec (Except for the output directory)?  Should the
  upstream packaging be changed so that fmtutil is never used, but
  texexec, or should fmtutil be fixed to produce the same as texexec?  



Finally, here comes Norbert Preining's Call for Testers:

Dear all!

We = Debian TeX maintainers searching for users of the Debian Operating
Systems which are also using ConTeXt.

Currently Debian etch (testing) and sid (unstable) contains packages for
TeX live 2005. But this contains a bit old ConTeXt version, so users are
asking us to update ConTeXt.

We have prepared a updated ConTeXt package for Debian, based on the
latest released version (2006.08.08), and would ask you to help use
testing, as we are not experienced in ConTeXt type settings. I checked
some simple documents from the ConTeXt Garden, and they worked, but more
detailed testing would be nice.

If you have interest, please contact us at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or, if you have a bit experience, you can straight away add
deb http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/
to your /etc/apt/sources.list file and install context. After this,
please tell us our experiences/failures/suggestions.

Thanks a lot and all the best


Regards, Frank
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Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
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Re: [NTG-context] paragraph with a shape

2006-10-23 Thread Renaud AUBIN




Hi Victoria,

At first, draw a mouth-like shape as a closed path with metapost then
read http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/metafun-s.pdf (pages
399--424).
The ML is a good source too (See "[NTG-context] Context and CD labels"
for example)...

Renaud

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on Debian: The wiki entry

2006-10-23 Thread Renaud AUBIN
Hi Frank,

A ConTeXt's package for debian will be great !

Frank Küster a écrit :

Hi everybody,

this mail has a double purpose.  At the end, there's a call for testers
of a new (planned) Debian ConTeXt package that would be updated more
frequently than now (at least in unstable and testing), where ConTeXt is
tied to teTeX's or TeXlive's release cycles.  But first, I'd like to
talk about 

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Debian_installation

Are some of the people around who wrote this?  I found some information
in it misleading and in part just wrong (this has already been pointed
out two weaks ago by plink), and have started to edit the page to
change the parts that give us, the Debian TeX maintaines, most
headache.  But in the lower part, Steps to finish a first context
upgrade, I felt lost.  If these steps are really needed, then there's
something seriously wrong in Debian's (and probably upstream's)
packaging of ConTeXt.  Therefore I didn't just change the text to
reflect how I think it should work.  Instead, we should try to figure
out together whether it in fact does not work as it should, and then fix
the Debian packages (hopefully still possible for etch).

  

My contributions was to copy Install a Metapost update and Install a
pdfTeX update from tetex 3.0 Install to Debian Install...
From my pov, ConTeXt is really great because of the reactivity of the
devs. As a consequence, new astonishing features are often added... but
there is a price: update often to the latest realease + install the
latest metapost and the latest pdfTeX (moreover, here I need the latest
beta of pdfTeX).

IMHO, it will be nice if the deb provides debian's specifics +
interactiv cont-tmf.zip download + install according debian specifics...
but there will be dependencies problems... Maybe a full standalone
context is the solution (with metapost, pdfTeX and all the binaries we
need coexisting with the tetex's one) ? Dunno...

Last point, it could be nice to have beta packages for ConTeXt an m-bib
(separated)...

So the specific question I have are:

- Is it intended that context formats end up in $TEXMF/web2c/pdfetex/?
  If yes, why is that so?  If not, we should rather find out why it
  happens and fix it.
  

It's the way ConTeXt does... ConTeXt's gurus have surely good reasons so
I let them answer...

- Why does it make a difference if the formats are created by fmtutil
  instead of texexec (Except for the output directory)?  Should the
  upstream packaging be changed so that fmtutil is never used, but
  texexec, or should fmtutil be fixed to produce the same as texexec?  
  

idem

Finally, here comes Norbert Preining's Call for Testers:

Dear all!

We = Debian TeX maintainers searching for users of the Debian Operating
Systems which are also using ConTeXt.

Currently Debian etch (testing) and sid (unstable) contains packages for
TeX live 2005. But this contains a bit old ConTeXt version, so users are
asking us to update ConTeXt.

We have prepared a updated ConTeXt package for Debian, based on the
latest released version (2006.08.08), and would ask you to help use
testing, as we are not experienced in ConTeXt type settings. I checked
some simple documents from the ConTeXt Garden, and they worked, but more
detailed testing would be nice.

If you have interest, please contact us at
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or, if you have a bit experience, you can straight away add
   deb http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/
to your /etc/apt/sources.list file and install context. After this,
please tell us our experiences/failures/suggestions.

Thanks a lot and all the best

  

OK, thanks, I'll do it as soon as I have a little more time (after my
PhD defense... ;) )

Regards, Frank
  


Renaud
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on Debian: The wiki entry

2006-10-23 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Hi Frank,

Frank Küster wrote:
 
 Are some of the people around who wrote this?  I found some information

I do not use Debian and did not write that page, but I can answer your
questions partially, at least.

 - Is it intended that context formats end up in $TEXMF/web2c/pdfetex/?
   If yes, why is that so?  If not, we should rather find out why it
   happens and fix it.

Yes, it is. ConTeXt does not support only pdfetex, but all major
engines, like XeTeX and Aleph. I have formats in:

   $TEXMF/web2c/aleph/
   $TEXMF/web2c/luatex/
   $TEXMF/web2c/pdfetex/
   $TEXMF/web2c/xetex/

 - Why does it make a difference if the formats are created by fmtutil
   instead of texexec (Except for the output directory)?  Should the
   upstream packaging be changed so that fmtutil is never used, but
   texexec, or should fmtutil be fixed to produce the same as texexec?  

It is almost certainly better to ignore/block fmtutil and use texexec
instead. Properly setting up a ConTeXt update is not necesarily limited
to format generation only.

Greetings, Taco



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[NTG-context] Hardcoded options in the Ruby scripts

2006-10-23 Thread Richard Gabriel




Hello Hans,I'm still wondering why there are certain formats hardcoded in your scripts and how the "make all formats" feature does (not work).See scripts/ruby/base/tex.rb:Lines 131-137:Here are a few languages predefined which texexec "knows". If I want to add a format for another language, I have to add a new line here.Line 339: Here are the "default" TeX formats defined. No problem to consider something as default ;-), but the point is that "texexec --make --all" actually does "make all DEFAULT formats", NOT "make all AVAILABLE formats". :-(Anyway, the main problem I see is altering of a script which comes with the ConTeXt distribution - the changes made into this scripts must be done again and again after each update.My suggestion is:1. To put the format definition into a separate file (like user.rb or so) which won't be owerwritten in any case. [Note: cont-usr.tex is a good analogy to this]2. "Make all" should make ALL the defined ConTeXt formats, not the default ones.Thanks,Richard___
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Re: [NTG-context] Hardcoded options in the Ruby scripts

2006-10-23 Thread Hans Hagen
Richard Gabriel wrote:

 Lines 131-137:
 Here are a few languages predefined which texexec knows. If I want 
 to add a format for another language, I have to add a new line here.
such as ...? (adding a user inferface is more that adding something to 
texexec)

 Line 339:
 Here are the default TeX formats defined. No problem to consider 
 something as default ;-), but the point is that texexec --make --all 
 actually does make all DEFAULT formats, NOT make all AVAILABLE 
 formats. :-(
which would be quite a lot -) what do you mean with all?

 Anyway, the main problem I see is altering of a script which comes 
 with the ConTeXt distribution - the changes made into this scripts 
 must be done again and again after each update.

 My suggestion is:
 1. To put the format definition into a separate file (like user.rb or 
 so) which won't be owerwritten in any case.
 [Note: cont-usr.tex is a good analogy to this]
hm, must think about it ; i don't like too many dependencies

 2. Make all should make ALL the defined ConTeXt formats, not the 
 default ones.
--all means: all patterns 

Hans 
 

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[NTG-context] German hyphenation broken ?

2006-10-23 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hi,

could someone please have a look at the minimal example below:

On my system it seems that the old germ hyphenation doesn't work  
anymore.
Line 7 and line 9 are for sure hyphenated according to the new rules  
Einbu-ßen and Sy-stem

Do others experience the same or is only my installation broken?

Steffen
(pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.4-2.2, ConTeXt  ver: 2006.10.13 20:06)


\usetypescript[postscript][\defaultencoding]
\setupencoding[default=texnansi]
\mainlanguage[deo]
\enableregime[mac]

\newdimen\Vertikal
\Vertikal=12pt

\setupbodyfont[postscript,10pt] \setupinterlinespace[line=12pt]

\definepapersize[Test][width=15.7cm,height=23.2cm]
\setuppapersize[Test][A4]

\setuplayout
[width=113mm,height=48\Vertikal,
backspace=20mm,topspace=15mm,
header=\Vertikal,headerdistance=0.5\Vertikal,
footer=3\Vertikal,footerdistance=0pt,
location=middle,marking=on,grid=no]

\starttext

\quad \index{Rentenversicherung– Zukunft der \~}Im Hinblick auf den  
Umbau von Sozialversicherungssystemen hat das  
Bundesverfassungsgericht allerdings einem künftigen Reformgesetzgeber  
insoweit das Feld bereitet, als es angemerkt hat, daß das  
westdeutsche (nunmehr gesamtdeutsche) gesetzliche  
Rentenversicherungssystem von der Möglichkeit einer Umgestaltung  
nicht so ausgenommen ist\footnote{Test}. Diese Tatsache ist nicht  
neu; die bisher vorhandene Finanzkraft der Sozialversicherung hat die  
Frage nur nicht aktuell werden lassen. Selbst wenn also ein  
tiefgreifender Umbau verbunden mit Einbußen in der Rechtssubstanz von  
Ansprüchen stattfinden würde, könnte man sich nur schwer auf eine  
Präzendenzwirkung des Urteils zur rentenrechtlichen  
Systementscheidung je berufen\footnote{Test}; die Akzeptanz einer  
entsprechenden Reform mag dadurch vielleicht steigen, da die  
politischen Akteure argumentieren können, so etwas ähnliches habe es  
schon einmal gegeben.

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Re: [NTG-context] German hyphenation broken ?

2006-10-23 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Oct 23, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

 On my system it seems that the old germ hyphenation doesn't work
 anymore.
 Line 7 and line 9 are for sure hyphenated according to the new rules
 Einbu-ßen and Sy-stem

 Do others experience the same or is only my installation broken?


I get this from \hyphenatedword:

Ein-bu-ßen

Sy-ste-ment-schei-dung

The first is correct (Duden 1986 R 179: ß bezeichnet einen Laut und  
wird nicht getrennt). The second should be Sy-stem-ent-schei-dung,  
but this is probably one of the many weird exceptions of German that  
TeX can't handle. What did you expect? (When I switch to language 
[de], I get Sys-te-ment-schei-dung).

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Directories of pictures

2006-10-23 Thread Maurício
Hans Hagen wrote:
 � wrote:
With your previous example, I would have to place my pictures in 
 current_dir/scr/images. I would like to put my pictures in 
 tex_file_dir/scr/images, and have Context to find them no matter which 
 directory I'm in when I execute texexec. Also, I would like to use 
 relative paths, not absolute paths.
   
 ./src/images 
 
 you can see what happens with 
 
 \traceexternalfigurestrue 
 

   \traceexternalfigurestrue just says it's checking '.', but it doesn't 
say if '.' is current shell directory or tex file directory.

   Maurício

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on Debian: The wiki entry

2006-10-23 Thread Frank Küster
Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Frank,

 Frank Küster wrote:
 
 Are some of the people around who wrote this?  I found some information

 I do not use Debian and did not write that page, but I can answer your
 questions partially, at least.

Thank you - yes, this helps.

 - Is it intended that context formats end up in $TEXMF/web2c/pdfetex/?
   If yes, why is that so?  If not, we should rather find out why it
   happens and fix it.

 Yes, it is. ConTeXt does not support only pdfetex, but all major
 engines, like XeTeX and Aleph. I have formats in:
   
$TEXMF/web2c/aleph/
$TEXMF/web2c/luatex/
$TEXMF/web2c/pdfetex/
$TEXMF/web2c/xetex/

Ah, okay, that's clear.  Has this already been this way one year ago
when texlive2005 was released?  Do you know whether the TeXlive
developers are aware of that?

 - Why does it make a difference if the formats are created by fmtutil
   instead of texexec (Except for the output directory)?  Should the
   upstream packaging be changed so that fmtutil is never used, but
   texexec, or should fmtutil be fixed to produce the same as texexec?  

 It is almost certainly better to ignore/block fmtutil and use texexec
 instead. Properly setting up a ConTeXt update is not necesarily limited
 to format generation only.

Hm.  What are the other things that need to be done?

This is in fact an issue that affects not only Debian, but TeXlive and
probably most TeX distributions.  They currently assume that after an
update of some files and/or executables, it's sufficient to run mktexlsr
(possibly more than once), updmap(-sys) and fmtutil(-sys) --all.  If
this is not sufficient for ConTeXt, there are two possibilities:

- fix fmtutil and updmap so that they do the right thing for ConTeXt

- or implement a way to automate calling texexec.  This would include
  using some configuration file, since not everybody who has aleph or
  xetex installed also wants a context format for this engine.

To me, as a TeXlive and teTeX guy, it seems preferrable to choose option
1 and fix the existing distribution scripts.  However, I don't know yet
what else is needed when ConTeXt is updated, therefore I might be wrong,
and switching to texexec might actually be better.  But then this should
be done consistently, and fmtutil should drop context handling
completely (or just call texexec).

Regards, Frank
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Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich
Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
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Re: [NTG-context] Directories of pictures

2006-10-23 Thread Maurício
Mari Voipio wrote:
 
 
 On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, Jörg Hagmann wrote:
 Use:
 \setupexternalfigures[directory={path_to_your_figures,another_path}]
 
 And you can even use relative paths and go 'down' in the directory tree:
 
 \setupexternalfigures[directory={../pdf-images,../png-images}]
 
 
 See also: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Using_Graphics
 

   Do you think it's possible to say something like:

\setupexternalfigures[directory={tex_file_directory/png-images}]  ?

   Note that ./png-images seems to look for 
current_shell_directory/png-images.

   Best,
   Maurício

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[NTG-context] Updating on Windows

2006-10-23 Thread Jeff Smith
Hello all!

Quick question here because the Wiki is silent on this. When I want to
(manually) update my ConTeXt windows (stand-alone) installation, do I
only need the following two files:

cont-tmf.zip
cont-win.zip

Or is there more?

I know ScITE is supposed to have an Update ConTeXT option but I
don't use this editor anymore. I found a nifty one called PSPad with a
better interface (in my opinion -- and it also supports Unicode, so
yay!) and it supports TeX very well. I had a lot of fun using its
integrated Lorem ipsum generator when testing stuff. :-)

Jeff
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Re: [NTG-context] Updating on Windows

2006-10-23 Thread Hans Hagen
Jeff Smith wrote:
 Hello all!

 Quick question here because the Wiki is silent on this. When I want to
 (manually) update my ConTeXt windows (stand-alone) installation, do I
 only need the following two files:

 cont-tmf.zip
 cont-win.zip

 Or is there more?
   
ctxtools --update 

Hans 

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on Debian: The wiki entry

2006-10-23 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Frank Küster wrote:
 
- Is it intended that context formats end up in $TEXMF/web2c/pdfetex/?
  If yes, why is that so?  If not, we should rather find out why it
  happens and fix it.

Yes, it is. ConTeXt does not support only pdfetex, but all major
engines, like XeTeX and Aleph. I have formats in:
  
   $TEXMF/web2c/aleph/
   $TEXMF/web2c/luatex/
   $TEXMF/web2c/pdfetex/
   $TEXMF/web2c/xetex/
 
 Ah, okay, that's clear.  Has this already been this way one year ago
 when texlive2005 was released?  Do you know whether the TeXlive
 developers are aware of that?

Yes, it was, Yes, 'they' were aware, and no, 'they' did not want to
fix fmtutil. 'They' only dropped the separate format extensions and
then decided that implementing a replacement was too much effort.

- Why does it make a difference if the formats are created by fmtutil
  instead of texexec (Except for the output directory)?  Should the
  upstream packaging be changed so that fmtutil is never used, but
  texexec, or should fmtutil be fixed to produce the same as texexec?  

It is almost certainly better to ignore/block fmtutil and use texexec
instead. Properly setting up a ConTeXt update is not necesarily limited
to format generation only.
 
 Hm.  What are the other things that need to be done?

Nothing at the moment, AFAIK. But potentially lots of things.

For instance: the next version of context will support non-kpathsea
file searching, so it will have to initialize its database somewhere.
It may want to/have to delete obsolete files  and/or merge local
configuration files with new released version. Or precompile patterns
files or lua scripts, strip and optimize source files, and perhaps
generate font metrics in one format or another.

ConTeXt comes with its own font map files, so there is no real
reason to fix updmap but if you want to the main problem is this:
you have to extend it so that it does not treat dvips and pdftex
map files as identical.


 To me, as a TeXlive and teTeX guy, it seems preferrable to choose option
 1 and fix the existing distribution scripts.  However, I don't know yet
 what else is needed when ConTeXt is updated, therefore I might be wrong,
 and switching to texexec might actually be better.  But then this should
 be done consistently, and fmtutil should drop context handling
 completely (or just call texexec).

I am very much in favor of using texexec for everything related to
ConTeXt.

Greetings, Taco
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[NTG-context] Problems with MetaFun and registers

2006-10-23 Thread Fredrik Sjunnesson
I have problems with the register macro in MetaFun.

When I try
== 
\setupcolors[state=start]

\starttext
\definelayer[test]

\startuseMPgraphic{oeps}
  path p ; p := fullcircle scaled 6cm ;
  fill p withcolor .8white ;
  draw p withpen pencircle scaled 1mm withcolor .625red ;
  register (somepos-1,0cm,0cm,center currentpicture) ;
\stopuseMPgraphic

\setMPlayer [test] [somepos-1] [location=c]
  {Does it work all right?}

\getMPlayer [test]{\useMPgraphic{oeps}}
\stoptext
==

(which is essentially copied from the manual) in ConTeXt live I get the
following error message

==
! Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted).
to be read again 
   -
\pospxywhd ...fnum \positionanchormode =\plusone -
  \MPx \pageanchor \fi
\rela...
l.7 ...hd{somepos-1}{0}{5687206}{5687206}{0}{0}{0}
  
? 
! Emergency stop.
to be read again 
   -
\pospxywhd ...fnum \positionanchormode =\plusone -
  \MPx \pageanchor \fi
\rela...
l.7 ...hd{somepos-1}{0}{5687206}{5687206}{0}{0}{0}
  
No pages of output.
==

Am I doing something wrong or is the register functionality broken in
ConTeXt 2006.10.13? 

/Fredrik


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Re: [NTG-context] Updating on Windows

2006-10-23 Thread Jeff Smith
On 10/23/06, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ctxtools --update

Heh, too easy. Thanks. :-)

Jeff Smith
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on Debian: The wiki entry

2006-10-23 Thread Frank Küster
Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To me, as a TeXlive and teTeX guy, it seems preferrable to choose option
 1 and fix the existing distribution scripts.  However, I don't know yet
 what else is needed when ConTeXt is updated, therefore I might be wrong,
 and switching to texexec might actually be better.  But then this should
 be done consistently, and fmtutil should drop context handling
 completely (or just call texexec).

 I am very much in favor of using texexec for everything related to
 ConTeXt.

Can you point me to the place where it is documented which calls are
needed to be called

- when ConTeXt is updated

- when any of the engines is updated?

I don't use ConTeXt myself, and I always have problems finding the
relevant places in the documentation, sorry...

Regards, Frank
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Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
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[NTG-context] resource libraries

2006-10-23 Thread Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini
Hallo!

Is it possible somehow to extract all the images covered in an image 
database without lose of quality?

Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini




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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on Debian: The wiki entry

2006-10-23 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Debian_installation

 Are some of the people around who wrote this? 

I wrote some of it (hangs head in shame) by typing in all the steps I
had to use on my Debian stable/testing system to get a newer ConTeXt
to work with tetex 3.0 as the basis.  I agree, it is confusing and I
hope it can be improved.

In the previous discussion, the issue came up of whether ConTeXt
should be installed per user or for the whole system.  The
Debian_installation instructions on the wiki are for a per-user
install, because I couldn't figure out a robust way of having an
easily updatable installation that goes in TEXMFLOCAL.  

A system-wide installation, if done cleanly, would be much easier (as
plink pointed out).  If you (or 'texexec --make' to generate the
formats) ask kpathsea where to put the format files, it'll give you a
directory in TEXMFHOME, so a per user install.  But how do you ask
kpathsea the correct question so that it'll tell you where they should
go for a system-wide install?

-Sanjoy

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Re: [NTG-context] resource libraries

2006-10-23 Thread Hans Hagen
Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
 Hallo!

 Is it possible somehow to extract all the images covered in an image 
 database without lose of quality?
   
eh ... normally there should beno loss at all, pdftex just copies the resources 


Hans 


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Re: [NTG-context] Directories of pictures

2006-10-23 Thread Hans Hagen
Maurício wrote:
 Hans Hagen wrote:
   
 � wrote:
 
With your previous example, I would have to place my pictures in 
 current_dir/scr/images. I would like to put my pictures in 
 tex_file_dir/scr/images, and have Context to find them no matter which 
 directory I'm in when I execute texexec. Also, I would like to use 
 relative paths, not absolute paths.
   
   
 ./src/images 

 you can see what happens with 

 \traceexternalfigurestrue 

 

\traceexternalfigurestrue just says it's checking '.', but it doesn't 
 say if '.' is current shell directory or tex file directory.
   
tex cannot expand a path so we cannot determine that; 

directory={.,default} 

is also an option since default will make context lookj in tex related paths 

Hans 

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on Debian: The wiki entry

2006-10-23 Thread Hans Hagen
Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
 A system-wide installation, if done cleanly, would be much easier (as
 plink pointed out).  If you (or 'texexec --make' to generate the
 formats) ask kpathsea where to put the format files, it'll give you a
 directory in TEXMFHOME, so a per user install.  But how do you ask
 kpathsea the correct question so that it'll tell you where they should
 go for a system-wide install?
   
you can't and i remember asking for such a feature but ... ; the only way to 
figure that out is to check all format paths and take the first one that fits; 
unfortunalty the tetex paths are rather messy so it's hard to predict in what 
permutation of home, usr, share, sys, opt * local * tex, TeX, teTeX, whatever * 
texmf, texmflocal, texmf-local, texmf-teTeX, texmf-dis, texmf.local, 
texmf-whocares * web2c, web2c/engine etc etc a format may end up; this is 
further complicated by the fact that kpse has to do some guessing about where 
it's configuration files are (web2c, etc, home, nowhere), what trees make 
sense, etc etc; and, yes, some of the paths are hard coded in the binaries, so 
relocating is tricky ... isn't it magic that tex still runs -) 

but luatex will make thinsg better (we hope) 

Hans 

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[NTG-context] typesetting a url from variabless

2006-10-23 Thread Aditya Mahajan
Hi,
  What is the best way of typesetting a url from a variable. For 
example, if I have

\setvariables[test][website=http://www.xyz.com/~abc/first_index.html]

how can I print the url. I tried

\starttext
\goto{\getvariable{test}{website}}[URL(\getvariable{test}{website})]
\stoptext

but this does not seem to work. Any suggestions?

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on Debian: The wiki entry

2006-10-23 Thread Frank Küster
Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
 A system-wide installation, if done cleanly, would be much easier
 (as plink pointed out).  If you (or 'texexec --make' to generate the
 formats) ask kpathsea where to put the format files, it'll give you
 a directory in TEXMFHOME, so a per user install.  But how do you ask
 kpathsea the correct question so that it'll tell you where they
 should go for a system-wide install?
   
 you can't and i remember asking for such a feature but ... ;

Can you point me to this discussion?  I think it doesn't need more as
what fmtutil-sys, updmap-sys and texconfig-sys do before calling
fmtutil, updmap or texconfig, respectively:

v=`kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFSYSVAR`
c=`kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFSYSCONFIG`

TEXMFVAR=$v
TEXMFCONFIG=$c
export TEXMFVAR TEXMFCONFIG

exec updmap ${1+$@}

However, it would be probably more elegant and context-like to not have
texexec and texexec-sys, but rather a commandline switch - in this case
the handling would have to be done in the perl (or ruby?) scripts, which
is somewhat trickier.

 the only
 way to figure that out is to check all format paths and take the first
 one that fits; unfortunalty the tetex paths are rather messy so it's
 hard to predict in what permutation of home, usr, share, sys, opt *
 local * tex, TeX, teTeX, whatever * texmf, texmflocal, texmf-local,
 texmf-teTeX, texmf-dis, texmf.local, texmf-whocares * web2c,
 web2c/engine etc etc a format may end up; 

I'm not sure what you mean.  The default TEXMF path for teTeX (and I
think also for TeXlive) is

TEXMF = 
{!!$TEXMFCONFIG,!!$TEXMFVAR,$TEXMFHOME,!!$TEXMFSYSCONFIG,!!$TEXMFSYSVAR,!!$TEXMFMAIN,!!$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFDIST}

where the first three are per-user, the others are system trees.  An
explanation about installing does not need to know whether, for example,
TEXMFLOCAL is called texmf.local or texmf-local or
/usr/local/share/texmf.  The only problem might be that some users
change the order or the trees, but that's not a big problem if we
suggest to use the default path.

 this is further complicated
 by the fact that kpse has to do some guessing about where it's
 configuration files are (web2c, etc, home, nowhere),

This is only a problem if people have more than one texmf.cnf - is this
actually the case?  I don't think I ever heard of that.

 what trees make
 sense, etc etc; and, yes, some of the paths are hard coded in the
 binaries, so relocating is tricky ... isn't it magic that tex still
 runs -)

AFAIK only the search path for texmf.cnf is hard-coded, and that can't
be avoided.  On the other hand, no one ever approached me and requested
a relocation:  What would you want, and in which cases?

TIA, Frank

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Dr. Frank Küster
Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich
Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
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