[NTG-context] vertical stretch for TABLE ?

2007-02-14 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hi,


I understood that …

\bTABLE[option=stretch]

… gives a horizontal stretch, so that a TABLE snaps left and right to the frame 
(\showframe text edges).


When along table is split over several pages with \bTABLE[split=yes] it is very 
unlikely that the bottom-line of the bottom most row sits on the bottom-line of 
the text frame.

Is there also a kind of \bTABLE[split=yes,option=vstretch] that gives this 
little stretch over the page's respective rows so that there is also a vertical 
snap to the text frame?

Or is this a too weird request?


Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] Newbie question: math font and bibliography

2007-02-14 Thread Taco Hoekwater


Zulkifli Hidayat wrote:
 
 Furthermore, could you give pointers to style alternatives documentation
 or links?

None that I know of exist, but it is harmless to try them, so you
could just do a few runs with various style settings.

Best, taco
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Re: [NTG-context] vertical stretch for TABLE ?

2007-02-14 Thread luigi scarso
On 2/14/07, Steffen Wolfrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,


 I understood that …

 \bTABLE[option=stretch]

 … gives a horizontal stretch, so that a TABLE snaps left and right to the 
 frame (\showframe text edges).


 When along table is split over several pages with \bTABLE[split=yes] it is 
 very unlikely that the bottom-line of the bottom most row sits on the 
 bottom-line of the text frame.

 Is there also a kind of \bTABLE[split=yes,option=vstretch] that gives this 
 little stretch over the page's respective rows so that there is also a 
 vertical snap to the text frame?

 Or is this a too weird request?


Did you  see
www.logosrl.it/context/modules/2007-01-23/core-modu.pdf
at core-ntb section ?
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Re: [NTG-context] bold versions of fonts

2007-02-14 Thread Jörg Hagmann

 There is one [ too many in this definition... Don't be too
 embarrassed, when you've looked at a file or a line for three hours,
 you don't see anything anymore.

Thanks a lot. I AM embarassed, especially since I suspected something  
of the sort but didn't see it. And also because I successfully  
avoided quite a few premature interventions in the past months, but  
was too impatient this time.

I am editing the Annual Report of an ornithological society. In the  
past, this has been done with Word, the font was Gentium. I haven't  
changed to ConTeXt yet, because Gentium has no bold version and I  
want to stick with the same font (Word produces some kind of Gentium- 
bold itself). That's the reason why I am looking at other fonts, with  
the intention of smuggling a SimilarToGentium-Bold into a gentium- 
typescript. (I know that's not done -- but it's only the  
Ornithological Society of Basel )

Cheers, Jörg

 Good luck

 Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] bold versions of fonts

2007-02-14 Thread Janko Hauser


Am 14.02.2007 um 11:34 schrieb Jörg Hagmann:


I am editing the Annual Report of an ornithological society. In the
past, this has been done with Word, the font was Gentium. I haven't
changed to ConTeXt yet, because Gentium has no bold version and I
want to stick with the same font (Word produces some kind of Gentium-
bold itself).


As I do not understand fonts at all, but is it really so, that one  
needs to have the bold fontpackage if one wants to set a word in bold  
in tex? Asked another way, can tex not do the same as word in this  
regard?


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Re: [NTG-context] bold versions of fonts

2007-02-14 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Janko Hauser wrote:

 As I do not understand fonts at all, but is it really so, that one  
 needs to have the bold fontpackage if one wants to set a word in  
 bold in tex? Asked another way, can tex not do the same as word in  
 this regard?

 with regards,

 __Janko

TeX can produce an artificial bold version of type 1 fonts via  
postscript commands in the map file, and you can consult the index of  
the TeXbook for poor man's bold for another solution. In both  
cases, the typographic quality is so low that you really don't want  
to go there. Word output is ugly anyway, so nobody cares if it  
produces artificial bold that makes it even uglier...

Thomas
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[NTG-context] Bolding the words Figure 2-1

2007-02-14 Thread John R. Culleton
I too am stuck in specification hell. The specifier is ovenamored of 
stretching text and the like. I worked through that with the TeX/LaTeX macro 
soul.sty. 

 My immediate problem is with putting the 
caption of a table in a different font.  Currently I have:

\setupcaptions[location=top,headstyle=bold,style=bold]

\placefigure[here][tab:comp]{Comparison of Corporate and
Government Bond Portfolios} {
etc.
---
Currently I get the caption in bold but the string Figure 2-1 is not in 
bold. 

A second problem:
The designer asks for

Figure 2-1
Comparison of Corporate etc.

but I get:
---
Figure 2-1 Comparison of Corporate etc.


I can avoid \placefigure and hand code each caption of course but that 
deprives me of the ability to float the figures.
 
Unfortunately they brought in the designer after I had already started work 
(and cashed the deposit check.)

The first difficulty (typeface) is IMO the most critical. 
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[NTG-context] Suppressing printing of chapter head.

2007-02-14 Thread John R. Culleton
I have a specification for a chapter head that is so complex I have little 
hope of modifying the Context head within any reasonable time frame. But I 
still prefer to use the Context chapter head for TOC, numbering of figures 
and the like. So I decided to hand code the head but still use \chapter  for 
these other purposes.  Here is my current workaround:
--
\setuphead[chapter][command=\white,header=nomarking]

I still have to use \noheaderandfooterlines as well for some reason. 
Just FYI. 

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Re: [NTG-context] Bolding the words Figure 2-1

2007-02-14 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On 2/14/07, John R. Culleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I too am stuck in specification hell. The specifier is ovenamored of
 stretching text and the like. I worked through that with the TeX/LaTeX macro
 soul.sty.

  My immediate problem is with putting the
 caption of a table in a different font.  Currently I have:
 
 \setupcaptions[location=top,headstyle=bold,style=bold]

 \placefigure[here][tab:comp]{Comparison of Corporate and
 Government Bond Portfolios} {
 etc.
 ---
 Currently I get the caption in bold but the string Figure 2-1 is not in
 bold.

On the garden it works OK.

Also if you want to use a really different font, there should be no
problem saying
   \setupcaptions[headstyle={\definedfont[your-special-font]}]

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] vertical stretch for TABLE ?

2007-02-14 Thread luigi scarso
On 2/14/07, Steffen Wolfrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Luigi,


 On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:44:20 +0100, luigi scarso wrote:
  Is there also a kind of \bTABLE[split=yes,option=vstretch] that
  gives this little stretch over the page's respective rows so that
  there is also a vertical snap to the text frame?
 
  Or is this a too weird request?
 
 
  Did you  see
  www.logosrl.it/context/modules/2007-01-23/core-modu.pdf
  at core-ntb section ?



 No, I didn't know this … enzyclopedia!
 But as I am no programmer I am not sure how to you use it (too much that I 
 absolutely not understand).
ok

 Did you see an answer to my request in there?
I usually give my best with a complete working example
'I-have-this--I-want-that'.tex
or 'this-doesn't-work-as-expected'.tex
or 'i-don't-understand-this'.tex
Can you made an example ?
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Re: [NTG-context] Suppressing printing of chapter head.

2007-02-14 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, John R. Culleton wrote:

 I have a specification for a chapter head that is so complex I have little
 hope of modifying the Context head within any reasonable time frame. But I
 still prefer to use the Context chapter head for TOC, numbering of figures
 and the like. So I decided to hand code the head but still use \chapter  for
 these other purposes.  Here is my current workaround:
 --
 \setuphead[chapter][command=\white,header=nomarking]

Maybe command=\gobbleoneargument instead of white. With \white, the 
head will still occupy space.

 
 I still have to use \noheaderandfooterlines as well for some reason.
 Just FYI.

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Bolding the words Figure 2-1

2007-02-14 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:11:37 -0500
John R. Culleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I too am stuck in specification hell. The specifier is ovenamored of 
 stretching text and the like. I worked through that with the TeX/LaTeX macro 
 soul.sty. 
 
  My immediate problem is with putting the 
 caption of a table in a different font.  Currently I have:
 
 \setupcaptions[location=top,headstyle=bold,style=bold]
 
 \placefigure[here][tab:comp]{Comparison of Corporate and
 Government Bond Portfolios} {
 etc.
 ---
 Currently I get the caption in bold but the string Figure 2-1 is not in 
 bold. 

Hi John,

the floattext is written by default in bold style, please look if you
changed it somewhere in your document by \setupcation[style=...] or
\setupcaption[figure][style=...]

 
 A second problem:
 The designer asks for
 
 Figure 2-1
 Comparison of Corporate etc.
 
 but I get:
 ---
 Figure 2-1 Comparison of Corporate etc.
 
 
 I can avoid \placefigure and hand code each caption of course but that 
 deprives me of the ability to float the figures.

\setupcaptions
  [location=top,
   spaceinbetween=0pt, % -- your friend 
   style=bold,
   width=max] % maybe fit?

Wolfgang

  
 Unfortunately they brought in the designer after I had already started work 
 (and cashed the deposit check.)
 
 The first difficulty (typeface) is IMO the most critical. 
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Re: [NTG-context] Characters per inch with ConTexT

2007-02-14 Thread Hans Hagen
Aditya Mahajan wrote:

 That is what I found. Can I tweak spacefactor and spaceskip to give an 
 impression that there are 15 cpi.
   
you can create a shinked font i.e. make an instance with .85% wide chars 
(contrary to an extended one)
 I guess someone made the requirements in 1950 or 1960, and others are 
 blindly copying them. Maybe, I should typeset everything in monotype 
 font :)
   
cm is kind of monotype times ... you mean monospaced -) there is a narrow latin 
modern tt variant you can use ... 132 chars on 80 

Hans 


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Re: [NTG-context] vertical stretch for TABLE ?

2007-02-14 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hi Luigi,

thanks for the offer.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:45:46 +0100, luigi scarso wrote:
 I usually give my best with a complete working example
 'I-have-this--I-want-that'.tex
 or 'this-doesn't-work-as-expected'.tex
 or 'i-don't-understand-this'.tex
 Can you made an example ?


See attached table.tex, please.
It's quick and dirty and it contains several tables. But it should make the 
goal clear:

By chance on page 8 the bottom-line of the table sits on the bottom-line of the 
frame.
I want to have this also on the other pages, containing the other parts of the 
table. 

Is there a way for vertical stretch for rows, like option=stretch gives 
horizontal stretch for columns, to snap to the frame?


Steffen
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[NTG-context] mails

2007-02-14 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi,

I'm a bit busy right now but if someone thinks that important mails get 
lost let me know or remind me later

Hans

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[NTG-context] TOC (was: register) fine tuning

2007-02-14 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hi Hans,

fine-tuning a TOC is horrible when you have a lot of tables and figures in a 
larger project: 
you have to wait and wait and wait …

Could you also provide a comparable solution like the one below (for the 
placeregister), please?

Something like …

\completecontent[file=testtest]


That would give me back several hours to life!


Thank you,

Steffen




On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:17:01 +0200, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 
 Am 26.10.2006 um 10:32 schrieb Hans Hagen:
 
 hm, you really want to do that now?
 
 
 
 Yes, please: the printing house is wating for the book today...
 
 
 i'll make a beta that can do:
 
 
 \placeregister[index]
 
 \placeregister[index][file=testtest]
 
 so, you can copy test.tuo to testtest.tuo and them edit  
 testtest.tuo to suit your needs
 
 
 Great, that sound very usably!
 
 Steffen
 
 
 of course, you need to keep in mind that it is possible to edit  
 testtest.tuo to the extend that it starts influencing pagenumbers  
 and such
 
 
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Re: [NTG-context] vertical stretch for TABLE ?

2007-02-14 Thread luigi scarso
On 2/14/07, Steffen Wolfrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Luigi,

 thanks for the offer.

 On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:45:46 +0100, luigi scarso wrote:
  I usually give my best with a complete working example
  'I-have-this--I-want-that'.tex
  or 'this-doesn't-work-as-expected'.tex
  or 'i-don't-understand-this'.tex
  Can you made an example ?


 See attached table.tex, please.
hmm, it seems that I've missed the attachment...
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Re: [NTG-context] Suppressing printing of chapter head.

2007-02-14 Thread JOHN CULLETON
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 10:14, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 [location=top,
spaceinbetween=0pt, % -- your friend
style=bold,
width=max]

That works as far as the bolding is concerned. Many thanks. But the 
Figure 2-1
and the 
Comparison of Corporate and Government
Bond Portfolios
are still in run-in style like this:

Figure 2.1 Comparison of Corporate and Government
Bond Portfolios

I can maybe talk the customer out of that detail but if I can do it it would 
be nice. 

Another solution to bolding was proposed by Mojca but I decided to go with 
yours. Thanks to both. 

For those who were curious about the complexity of the heading I will post a 
pdf to 
http://wexfordpress.com/tex/headertest.pdf
..and a source file fragment here:
---
\noheaderandfooterlines
\tf
\chapter{Investing for Income}
\noheaderandfooterlines 
\null\vskip -1in 
\noindent {\baselineskip
15bp \nimbul\kern -3pt {\zb{``It's a funny thing about life; if
you refuse to accept anything but the best, you very often get
it.''}}{\nimbus ~~---\kern 5bp \zb{Somerset Maugham}}

\centerline{\vrule height .25bp width 4.25in} \vskip 3.050in
\switchtobodyfont[MySabon,12bp] 
\rm 
{\it Chapter 2} \vskip .4in
\baselineskip 30bp 
\leftline{\nimbux{\zc{Investing for Income,}}}
\leftline{\nimbux{\zc{Safely and Effectively}}} \parindent
.3125in \baselineskip 15bp \indenting[next] 
\vskip 15pt 
\rm 

This is quite ugly but it works. \nimbux etc. are fonts and \zc etc. are
macros using soul.sty.

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Re: [NTG-context] Characters per inch with ConTexT

2007-02-14 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 
 I guess someone made the requirements in 1950 or 1960, and others are 
 blindly copying them. Maybe, I should typeset everything in monotype 
 font :)

I remember we had a ball-based typewriter at Kluwer Academic that had
variable width characters as well as different fonts: one per ball.
We had a whole bunch of these balls in a cardboard box. So maybe,
they even had variant widths like Times10 @ 10cpi, Times10 @ 12cpi ?

Best, Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] MPtoPDF error

2007-02-14 Thread Peter Rolf
Peter Rolf wrote:
 Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 Peter Rolf wrote:
 this is a bug in the current metapost beta (which is already fixed by
 Taco). Simply use the stable version (0.901) instead. A new beta will
 (hopefully) be released this week.
 It won't happen today anymore, I am afraid. But 'real soon now'.

 
 I know that you are busy (as a bee), so 'real soon now' sounds pretty
 good ;)

this was too soon for me. thx taco.

 Best, Peter
 
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[NTG-context] \writetolist vs \writebetweenlist

2007-02-14 Thread JOHN CULLETON
I can use \writebetweenlist to add a line to my TOC.  I have to put the page 
number in manually. Here is the statement:
\writebetweenlist[part]{\nimbus\zy{Part 1 Prerequisite for Success}\hfil 22\rm }

It would seem more sensible to use \writetolist and let Context determine the 
page number. But there are two problems:
1. There is an extra set of braces {} for \writetolist, the purpose of which is 
not stated.
2. A statement similar to the above but with \writetolist[part] and deleting 
the material from \hfil onward fails on interpetation of the formatting macro
\zy. This in turn is a call to the soul.sty package for letterspacing the 
entry.  Here is macro \zy:
\sodef\zy{}{.040em}{.25em plus .5em}{2em plus .1em minus .1em}
It works OK with \writebetweenlist but fails when part of \writetolist etc. 


I have two questions: 
1. What are the extra braces for in the \writetolist command description?
2. Given two sets of braces, where does the text of the par title go?



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